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Old 04-17-2021, 11:37 AM   #2
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You're misunderstanding my criticism. Criticism doesn't equal "hate".

I don't think it's well-written, well-directed or well-scored. Each episode meanders and flips from one character's perspective to another without any reason. To date, the showrunner has given us no real reason why this show exists in the MCU.

They've failed to introduce any new interesting characters, although last night's episode might be a glimpse of what's to come. But overall, there's just no reason for this series to have existed, unless absolutely everything that's supposed to help shape Phase 4 and Phase 5 happens in the final episode.

But the reason I'm watching is because I've (or we've, if you've been reading the internet) been told that what happens in this series will affect the MCU moving forward. So far, I'm just not seeing it but the show has once last chance at redemption.

If episode 6 sucks, it's going to cast a long shadow on the other Disney+ MCU television series.
Interestingly enough I have enjoyed the series. I don't call it exceptional or ground-breaking in any sense, but from my perspective I have enjoyed watching the broken relationship of Bucky and Sam. Neither understands the other's perspective and they don't try to sugar coat it.

The fact that Zemo, Sharon Carter and the Women of Wakanda honestly play small roles in this is OK with me.

Yes...I have been reading the same thing everyone else has....that this is a setup for Phase 4 and Phase 5. So I am taking this slow start as just what it is to me....the setup of the move forward after Iron Man and (the real) Captain America.

I will agree on one thing with you....this has been poorly scored. The music is mind-numbing and needless to me.
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Old 04-17-2021, 01:15 PM   #3
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You're misunderstanding my criticism. Criticism doesn't equal "hate".

I don't think it's well-written, well-directed or well-scored. Each episode meanders and flips from one character's perspective to another without any reason. To date, the showrunner has given us no real reason why this show exists in the MCU.

They've failed to introduce any new interesting characters, although last night's episode might be a glimpse of what's to come. But overall, there's just no reason for this series to have existed, unless absolutely everything that's supposed to help shape Phase 4 and Phase 5 happens in the final episode.

But the reason I'm watching is because I've (or we've, if you've been reading the internet) been told that what happens in this series will affect the MCU moving forward. So far, I'm just not seeing it but the show has once last chance at redemption.

If episode 6 sucks, it's going to cast a long shadow on the other Disney+ MCU television series.
I still like it overall. For all the missteps, sometimes we get a truly great scene like the one with Sam and Bucky throwing the shield around. That might have been the best scene in the entire series so far.
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Old 04-17-2021, 11:18 AM   #4
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Not only is the logic behind Sam Wilson's financial state stupid beyond belief but Sharon Carter being "on the run" might be an even bigger blunder.
At one point I saw someone explain a theory that made some logical sense.

The reason for the Avengers being poor, each in his own right save for Tony Stark, was that the world still partially held them responsible for all the damage done during the war with Loki/Zemo/Ultron/Thanos. The world saw all the havoc and said...."why pay something to people who created all this?"

As for Tony Stark setting up a fund for Sam? Why? He was never really a big fan of Sam's because Sam was partially responsible for Roadie's dilemma. And Sam wasn't particularly fond of Stark either.

I don't dive into all this so deep that I have a correct answer.....I just don't see the Avengers as millionaires.
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Old 04-17-2021, 11:33 AM   #5
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I don't dive into all this so deep that I have a correct answer.....I just don't see the Avengers as millionaires.
That "explanation" isn't even remoting plausible or logical.

As I mentioned earlier, Sam Wilson and the others were responsible for bringing back 3.5 BILLION people on Earth from death, not to mention the TRILLIONS of sentient life forms in the universe.

The "Catch Me Outside" girl, Danielle Bregoli, set up an Only Fans account less than two weeks ago and earned $1 million dollars in less than 6 hours!

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that people from all over the world would donate money to Go Fund Me accounts created for Falcon, The Winter Soldier, Ant Man and everyone else that helped to save the universe from destruction. I mean, Sam was sitting at a cafe in TFATWS when he was approached by a man that said "Thank you for bringing back my wife!", yet we're supposed to believe that people wouldn't donate even a dollar for the billions of others that were saved?

That's a massive plot hole that isn't even conceivable in today's world. Every single one of them would be billionaires overnight.
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Old 04-17-2021, 11:39 AM   #6
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That "explanation" isn't even remoting plausible or logical.

As I mentioned earlier, Sam Wilson and the others were responsible for bringing back 3.5 BILLION people on Earth from death, not to mention the TRILLIONS of sentient life forms in the universe.

The "Catch Me Outside" girl, Danielle Bregoli, set up an Only Fans account less than two weeks ago and earned $1 million dollars in less than 6 hours!

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that people from all over the world would donate money to Go Fund Me accounts created for Falcon, The Winter Soldier, Ant Man and everyone else that helped to save the universe from destruction. I mean, Sam was sitting at a cafe in TFATWS when he was approached by a man that said "Thank you for bringing back my wife!", yet we're supposed to believe that people wouldn't donate even a dollar for the billions of others that were saved?

That's a massive plot hole that isn't even conceivable in today's world. Every single one of them would be billionaires overnight.
This lol. Him and Bucky could host a meet and greet any time they want and make millions.
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Old 04-17-2021, 11:45 AM   #7
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That's a massive plot hole that isn't even conceivable in today's world. Every single one of them would be billionaires overnight.
Interesting....then what would make any of them desire to continue on as Avenger's? Especially after seeing that money can't keep you from danger as an Avenger.

Oh....and if we are going to play "real world" here, I am betting there would be lawyers galore lined up to sue the Avenger's for damages suffered by companies/individuals? Survivor's of Sokovia who might blame the Avengers?

We aren't going to agree....I just don't see that as a plot hole. I can accept the premise that they all are struggling a lot more than I could accept them all as billionaires.
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Old 04-17-2021, 11:51 AM   #8
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The "Catch Me Outside" girl, Danielle Bregoli, set up an Only Fans account less than two weeks ago and earned $1 million dollars in less than 6 hours!
What is it they say......"there's a sucker born every minute"?

People who donated to that also probably think Wrestling is real and Jerry Springer isn't staged.
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Old 04-16-2021, 02:58 PM   #9
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muh racism

give me a ****ing break

"a black man will never be captain america!!!!!!!!!!!"

no they just made a black man president instead

dumb show is dumb
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Old 04-16-2021, 05:45 PM   #10
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muh racism

give me a ****ing break

"a black man will never be captain america!!!!!!!!!!!"

no they just made a black man president instead

dumb show is dumb
Yea. WTF???

They already gave it to Sam and he turned it down.

That didn’t make any sense.
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Old 04-16-2021, 03:43 PM   #11
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better plot idea
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Contessa could be working for Fury or Hydra.
She was originally set to debut in Black Widow but the film kept getting delayed time and again, so it just got the point where Marvel decided that her introduction would happen in TFATWS.

From my understanding, she's set to have a big role moving forward in Phase 4 and her introduction may lead to the Thunderbolts forming soon.

I think she's a phenomenal actress so I'm totally up for seeing more of her in the MCU.
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