Onside kick discussion

[Mecca]

I brought this up in the MNF thread so I assume it wasn't seen by many.

Teams are going to have to try something different the way onside kicks are done now the odds of recovery is basically zero.

I proposed the idea of the kicker just drilling it as hard as he possibly can right at one of the upmen, no way dude is catching it then you get a live ball deflection.

Any other ideas out there?

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Any other ideas out there?

Never be behind at the end of a game where an onside kick is necessary.

[ptlyon]

There's always 13 seconds

[Hoover]

Honestly - I'd get one of these female college kickers. Would probably be the best approach

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Hoover

Honestly - I'd get one of these female college kickers. Would probably be the best approach

One short kick for a woman, one long kick for womankind.

[RINGLEADER]

The best fake kick is the Louis Aguilar one where he slapped the ball hard to mimick the kick sound then skied it high like a punt and our receiver just caught it while the other team was waiting to fair catch.

Wouldn’t work on kickoff/onside kick but sure was sweet.

https://youtu.be/gj3ewsLu5bI?si=gtkvWoTVbyjRfC8U

[DaFace]

I don't really think there's much that a team can do at this point. Any changes would have to be with the rules. I'm honestly not entirely convinced it's an issue, though. Sure, they're fun when it works, but arguably if you're in the position where you're resorting to that, you probably don't deserve to win anyway.

[SithCeNtZ]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I don't really think there's much that a team can do at this point. Any changes would have to be with the rules. I'm honestly not entirely convinced it's an issue, though. Sure, they're fun when it works, but arguably if you're in the position where you're resorting to that, you probably don't deserve to win anyway.

It’s amazing that it’s even a thing. Literally no other professional sport has an arbitrary play at the end of the game that can take a sure loss and give the team a chance to win while offering absolutely no upside to the winning team. Imagine in baseball if, on your last out, you brought out a giant wheel numbered, I don’t know, 1-100 and if the team picks the correct number it lands on then that team gets an extra 3 outs just because. Or if there’s less than 5 seconds left in a basketball game you can just randomly elect that your next possession if you make a shot from beyond half court it’s worth 10 points. Sure, it would bring some excitement I guess, but the point of sports isn’t to maximize chaos for the sake of it, it’s to find out who the better team is. Adding random stuff at the end of the game that does not apply to any other part of it doesn’t do that at all.

[RunKC]

They need to eliminate the damn thing entirely. It's not only not safe but it's like the old FG attempt. The play is useless bc it almost never works.

Replace it with one of the following:

1. 55 yard FG to get the ball at own 25 ~ opposing team picks which side of the field the kick occurs.
2. Down and 10 from their own 5 yard line. If you get at least 10 yards you get 1st and 10 with the chance to go 85 yards to score

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by RunKC

They need to eliminate the damn thing entirely. It's not only not safe but it's like the old FG attempt. The play is useless bc it almost never works.

Replace it with one of the following:

1. 55 yard FG to get the ball at own 25 ~ opposing team picks which side of the field the kick occurs.
2. Down and 10 from their own 5 yard line. If you get at least 10 yards you get 1st and 10 with the chance to go 85 yards to score

Most NFL kickers can drain a 55 yarder today without an issue.

[ChiefsHawk]

Originally Posted by RunKC

They need to eliminate the damn thing entirely. It's not only not safe but it's like the old FG attempt. The play is useless bc it almost never works.

Replace it with one of the following:

1. 55 yard FG to get the ball at own 25 ~ opposing team picks which side of the field the kick occurs.
2. Down and 10 from their own 5 yard line. If you get at least 10 yards you get 1st and 10 with the chance to go 85 yards to score

So because they cant recover an onside kick(safety excuse is bs) they deserve the ball back automatically????

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by RunKC

They need to eliminate the damn thing entirely. It's not only not safe but it's like the old FG attempt. The play is useless bc it almost never works.

Replace it with one of the following:

1. 55 yard FG to get the ball at own 25 ~ opposing team picks which side of the field the kick occurs.
2. Down and 10 from their own 5 yard line. If you get at least 10 yards you get 1st and 10 with the chance to go 85 yards to score

The Chiefs would literally get the ball back every time the scored 55 yarder

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni

The Chiefs would literally get the ball back every time the scored 55 yarder

Andy won't even go for it on say, fourth and five before mid field, so no.

But that rule is problematic because of how some teams would be favored.

So good luck getting the other owners agreeing to it.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by RunKC

They need to eliminate the damn thing entirely. It's not only not safe but it's like the old FG attempt. The play is useless bc it almost never works.

Replace it with one of the following:

1. 55 yard FG to get the ball at own 25 ~ opposing team picks which side of the field the kick occurs.
2. Down and 10 from their own 5 yard line. If you get at least 10 yards you get 1st and 10 with the chance to go 85 yards to score

So, KC NEVER gives the ball to the other team? Sounds good to me, honestly.

[wazu]

I do like the idea of just trying to drill somebody with the ball. Even if it doesn't work it's kind of a nice "**** you" to end the game on.