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Old 04-05-2022, 02:03 PM  
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Would you give up next years 1 and 29 to get up high enough to take Johnson?
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Old 04-05-2022, 02:44 PM   #16
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I'm trading up to the 13-15 range for Johnson, Karlaftis would probably be the 15-20 range if he's there.

Johnson can set the edge in run defense AND has pass rush skills. I think he's a 10-12 sack a season guy.
Exactly.
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Old 04-05-2022, 02:59 PM   #17
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The Rich Hill model has the value at:

Chiefs giving up 483. Houston giving up (with #37) 498.

I was using the Johnson model for my earlier post.

So on hill, KC could do 29,30, 62, and 135 for 13 and 37. I would buy that.
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Old 04-05-2022, 03:43 PM   #18
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I could be wrong but

30, 62 and a 2023 1st should net a 2022 top-15, '22 4th or 5th, and some combo of 2023 3rd, 4th or 5th.

That'd put the Chiefs in position to absolutely murder this draft IMO.
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Old 04-05-2022, 05:07 PM   #19
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I posted this one about a week ago. Pretty much the same one being discussed.

#29 - 640 points
#30 - 620 points
#50 - 400 points
#62 - 286 points (1946 total points)


To Houston for

#13 - 1150 points
#37 - 540 points
#68 - 250 points (1940 total points)


Net result:
Only one 1st, but at the top portion of the 1st.
Only one 2nd, but at the top of the 2nd.
Three 3rds. One early, two at the end.
Still have our two 4ths.
Still have our four 7ths.
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Old 04-05-2022, 05:33 PM   #20
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Incorporating the lounge stuff here, but what about:

Washington Receives
#29 (= 640 pts)
#30 (= 620 pts)
#103 (= 88 pts)
Mecole Hardman


Kansas City Receives
#11 (=1250 pts)
Terry McLaurin


We would have an alpha WR, plus:
@11 - we could potentially get an Edge with Thibodeaux, Walker or Johnson OR the top WR OR top DB OR top DT
@50 - we could still get a decent player at one of the positions from above
@62 - we could get a decent player at the remaining positions from the above
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Old 04-05-2022, 05:33 PM   #21
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Old 04-05-2022, 05:34 PM   #22
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Incorporating the lounge stuff here, but what about:

Washington Receives
#29
#30
Mecole Hardman

Kansas City Receives
#11
Terry McLaurin
I could live with that all day and twice on Sunday!
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Old 04-05-2022, 05:42 PM   #23
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I could live with that all day and twice on Sunday!
I edited a bit to make it more fair and show values lol
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Old 04-05-2022, 06:39 PM   #24
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Incorporating the lounge stuff here, but what about:

Washington Receives
#29 (= 640 pts)
#30 (= 620 pts)
#103 (= 88 pts)
Mecole Hardman


Kansas City Receives
#11 (=1250 pts)
Terry McLaurin


We would have an alpha WR, plus:
@11 - we could potentially get an Edge with Thibodeaux, Walker or Johnson OR the top WR OR top DB OR top DT
@50 - we could still get a decent player at one of the positions from above
@62 - we could get a decent player at the remaining positions from the above
Pretty darn decent. Would be tempting.
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Old 04-05-2022, 06:53 PM   #25
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Yeah I mean, we got Nick Bolton last year at #58 and Creed Humphrey at #63, so there's no reason Veach couldn't ball out with #50 & #62 + McLaurin + #11. We would have to pay McLaurin though, which is something we were close to doing with Tyreek. If we lock him up before he's paired with Mahomes this year and blows it out, we might be getting him at a discount.

I dunno if Washington would pull that trigger though, but 3 top 100's and Mecole is a decent haul.
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Old 04-05-2022, 07:20 PM   #26
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Every Mock I see now has Johnson as a top 10 player. Don’t think we’re moving that high
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Old 04-05-2022, 07:50 PM   #27
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Yeah I mean, we got Nick Bolton last year at #58 and Creed Humphrey at #63, so there's no reason Veach couldn't ball out with #50 & #62 + McLaurin + #11. We would have to pay McLaurin though, which is something we were close to doing with Tyreek. If we lock him up before he's paired with Mahomes this year and blows it out, we might be getting him at a discount.

I dunno if Washington would pull that trigger though, but 3 top 100's and Mecole is a decent haul.
In this scenario, at 11, you would possibly have these players on the board...

Chris Olave
Derek Stingley, Jr.
Charles Cross
Jermaine Johnson II
Trent McDuffie
Jameson Williams
Devin Llloyd
Jordan Davis
Nakobe Dean
Jahan Dotson
Treylon Burks
George Karlafis
Andrew Booth Jr.
Devonte Wyatt

Who would you take? Jermaine Johnson II for me.
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Old 04-05-2022, 11:02 PM   #28
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In this scenario, at 11, you would possibly have these players on the board...

Chris Olave
Derek Stingley, Jr.
Charles Cross
Jermaine Johnson II
Trent McDuffie
Jameson Williams
Devin Llloyd
Jordan Davis
Nakobe Dean
Jahan Dotson
Treylon Burks
George Karlafis
Andrew Booth Jr.
Devonte Wyatt

Who would you take? Jermaine Johnson II for me.
Among those names, yeah, Johnson is at the top for me as well.
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Old 04-06-2022, 05:23 AM   #29
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Incorporating the lounge stuff here, but what about:

Washington Receives
#29 (= 640 pts)
#30 (= 620 pts)
#103 (= 88 pts)
Mecole Hardman


Kansas City Receives
#11 (=1250 pts)
Terry McLaurin


We would have an alpha WR, plus:
@11 - we could potentially get an Edge with Thibodeaux, Walker or Johnson OR the top WR OR top DB OR top DT
@50 - we could still get a decent player at one of the positions from above
@62 - we could get a decent player at the remaining positions from the above
I'm not sure that's enough to get #11 AND Terry tbh, but I'm game if it is.
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I like the idea of trading up with #29, and down with #30 to recoup the lost picks:


#29 (1st)
#103 (3rd)
#135 (4th)
=
#19 (1st) from the Eagles

&

#30 (1st)
=
#58 (2nd)
#82 (3rd)
#151 (5th) from ATL
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