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Old 10-13-2016, 09:10 AM   #2
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This discussion reminds me of a philosophical quandary that seems to be percolating back up around the show.


What is more terrifying to you

An AI that passes the Turing test?
or
An AI that deliberately fails the Turing test?
How is the 2nd option not always the answer?

Exhibiting deception means that the new entity has already bitten from the apple and fallen.

I guess you can take consolation in the fact that it happened so quickly that we were predestined to fail and doomed from the start.

It is an interesting premise to present self awareness in an AI as a glitch, and the commentary as it translates to humanity and our relationship to nature, our environment, and one another.
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Old 10-13-2016, 09:45 AM   #3
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How is the 2nd option not always the answer?

Exhibiting deception means that the new entity has already bitten from the apple and fallen.

I guess you can take consolation in the fact that it happened so quickly that we were predestined to fail and doomed from the start.

It is an interesting premise to present self awareness in an AI as a glitch, and the commentary as it translates to humanity and our relationship to nature, our environment, and one another.
OK, perhaps 'quandary' is an ill-fitted descriptor. The 2nd option is a more terrifying possibility, but it's not one generally countenanced when assessing the utility of benchmarks such as the Turing test.

That is, 'how disorienting to ponder that the thing we are most fearful of and vigilant against, might not even be the greatest threat we face. . . '
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Old 10-13-2016, 11:34 AM   #4
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OK, perhaps 'quandary' is an ill-fitted descriptor. The 2nd option is a more terrifying possibility, but it's not one generally countenanced when assessing the utility of benchmarks such as the Turing test.

That is, 'how disorienting to ponder that the thing we are most fearful of and vigilant against, might not even be the greatest threat we face. . . '
Lots of big ideas. Fear of AI delves into our need for the illusion of control, and the question itself holds a mirror up to humanity and our capacity for good and evil. The duality of man is always a murky grey area.

No one knows what a digital sentient being would be drawn to. The altruistic better parts of our humanity or the craven vices of the worst of us. Of course, our worst traits are almost all born out of our primal base nature. How would an AI replicate those primordial basic instincts and evolutionary urges and impulses? The part of man not controlled by his prefrontal cortex.
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