***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Donger

What math in what you quoted doesn't add up?

Its right there for you bud I am not going down the rabbit hole for my sake and everyone else's.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Its right there for you bud I am not going down the rabbit hole for my sake and everyone else's.

Ah, I see you added . Yes, I think that's high, hopefully. The lower end seems more realistic.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Donger

Ah, I see you added . Yes, I think that's high, hopefully. The lower end seems more realistic.

I didn't add anything. That was the whole original post, front to back top to bottom.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I didn't add anything. That was the whole original post, front to back top to bottom.

No, you added this part:

This is basically saying 78,000 more people need to die in the next 2 months but we will be below 10 per day by June.

Anyway, where do you think we'll end up? Cases and deaths.

[BigRedChief]

Detroit preparing to let Doctors decide who dies and who lives based on available ventilators and supplies.


(WXYZ) — A leaked memo from Henry Ford Health System being shared around social media is not an active policy, and is a "worst case scenario," according to a hospital spokesperson.


The policy is says in part, "Patients who have the best chance of getting better are our first priority. Patients will be evaluated for the best plan of care and dying patients will be provided comfort care."
It is addressed to patients, families and the community, and is part of the hospital's emergency response planning, which is standard with other health systems.


“With a pandemic of this nature, health systems must be prepared for a worst case scenario. Gathering the collective wisdom from across our industry, we carefully crafted our policy to provide critical guidance to healthcare workers for making difficult patient care decisions during an unprecedented emergency, Dr. Adnan Munkarah, EVP and chief clinical officer, said. "These guidelines are deeply patient focused, intended to be honoring to patients and families. We were pleased to share our policy with our colleagues across Michigan to help others develop similar,



compassionate approaches. It is our hope we never have to apply them and we will always do everything we can to care for our patients, utilizing every resource we have to make that happen."
According to the memo, if someone comes in and needs to be in the ICU or on ventilation, "you will be assessed for eligibility based on on your specific condition."


Other portions of the memo include that patients who are treated with a ventilator may have them stopped if they don't improve over time, and that patients who are not eligible for ICU will receive treatment for pain control and comfort measures.








https://www.wxyz.com/news/coronaviru...-case-scenario

[Hammock Parties]

South Korea Warns of Deportation, Jail for Quarantine Violators

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/ar...tal-9-241-kcdc

SEOUL (Reuters) - South Korea warned on Thursday that it will deport foreigners while its citizens could face jail if they violate self-quarantine rules after a surge in imported coronavirus cases.

South Korea has tightened entry rules for travellers from countries suffering big outbreaks, subjecting them to two weeks of mandatory quarantine but at least 11 people violated self-quarantine rules between March 13 and 24, the health ministry said. It did not specify their nationalities.

"We will apply zero-tolerance principles in taking action against those who leave their self-isolation venue without legitimate reasons," Yoon Tae-ho, director-general for public health policy at the health ministry, told a briefing.

"Foreign nationals will be forcibly repatriated and Korean citizens will be reported to police for due penalties and lose financial support provided for those who have faithfully implemented a 14-day quarantine."

South Koreans who violate the rules could be jailed for up to a year and fined 10 million won ($8,100).

South Korea reported 104 new coronavirus cases on Thursday, including 30 imported one, the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC) said. That brought its total cases to 9,241, with a new death toll of 142, up from 126.

The number of infected travellers arriving in South Korea has grown more than five-fold to 284 over the past two weeks, the KCDC said.

[Donger]

ROK n Roll

[Bwana]

Everything You Need to Know About the Payments From the Government

This is a decent breakdown of the check(s)

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/perso...BGY?li=BBnb7Kz

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Bwana

Everything You Need to Know About the Payments From the Government

This is a decent breakdown of the check(s)

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/perso...BGY?li=BBnb7Kz

EVERYONE RUN OUT AND BUY A NEW TV AND PLAYSTATION 4!!!!!

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by notorious

EVERYONE RUN OUT AND BUY A NEW TV AND PLAYSTATION 4!!!!!

Ahhhh yea, it's time to add to the video game collection baby.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by notorious

EVERYONE RUN OUT AND BUY A NEW TV AND PLAYSTATION 4!!!!!

You kidding me you should see the specs on my new computer I’m going to build

[Hammock Parties]

this could get interesting

S. Korea tested symptomatic, electronically monitored, tested contacts and monitored. If test came back positive they traced cell phone locations and tried to test all possible contacts. They did not test people generically. That type of surveillance requires a warrant in the US.

[KCUnited]

I'm using mine to learn a new skill to make myself more viable to employers

lol j/k i'm buying a gun.

[kgrund]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

There is a growing concern about false negative tests. Case in point the nurse here in Clinton that handled our first Covid patient got all the classic symptoms a week later and had to be hospitalized up in KC and almost put on a vent. She has had 3 tests now and they were all negative and she even still has the glass opacities in one of her lungs.


Something is not right with the tests or the administration of the tests. Hopefully very quickly they will get a blood test ready to start using.

When the test was rolled out I believe I read it was 90% accurate whereas the flu test is like 99.99%. One of the concerns from the expert in the article I read was that the drive thru testing could actually be counterproductive because the test was not rock solid and the environment of administrating the test through a drive thru would make it even worse.

[petegz28]

Not getting political but if you want this shit fixed quick, line up every member of congress and give them the virus, shit would be fixed next week.......