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Old 07-22-2021, 11:36 AM  
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Old 07-23-2021, 11:33 AM   #271
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Every doctor or scientist whose lectures I watched contradicted what you said.

I'm going to stick with that because historically, natural infection is stronger than any vaccine against viruses.

The only vaccines that might be stronger than natural are designed to stop bacteria.
I don't know what doctors or scientists you depend on, but that's not correct.

Don't draw on history. Draw on the data we have right in front of us.

Read this: https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/artic...infection.html
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Old 07-23-2021, 11:34 AM   #272
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I live in Key West, Florida, Direckshun.

Key West, FL.

I don’t know one person that’s been hospitalized or died of COVID, but I know many that have had it and been just fine. Our hospital has never been overrun and we’ve been open for the majority of the pandemic. Tourists have been flocking here for months on end.

I was very tired for a week straight and slept most of the time. I’ll take my chances.
You generally should not guide your behavior during a pandemic on what you yourself have experienced.

You should be guided by the data. And I'm pretty sure the data doesn't say you've found the one place in America that's evaded the pandemic.
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Old 07-23-2021, 11:36 AM   #273
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You generally should not guide your behavior during a pandemic on what you yourself have experienced.

You should be guided by the data. And I'm pretty sure the data doesn't say you've found the one place in America that's evaded the pandemic.
I didn’t say we’ve “evaded” the pandemic.

It just hasn’t been nearly as bad as it is in other places, despite us being open for the majority of the time. I’m sure the weather down here is a factor, but that isn’t changing.

If it wasn’t that bad down here before the vaccine, I have a hard time seeing it ever getting that bad now.
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Old 07-23-2021, 11:39 AM   #274
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If it wasn’t that bad down here before the vaccine, I have a hard time seeing it ever getting that bad now.
Infection rates are hitting peaks now in some parts of the country, so it's coming to your neighborhood unless you've achieved herd immunity. That's a start.
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Old 07-23-2021, 11:42 AM   #275
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I don't know what doctors or scientists you depend on, but that's not correct.

Don't draw on history. Draw on the data we have right in front of us.

Read this: https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/artic...infection.html

Vaccination offers longer, stronger immunity, says virologist Sabra Klein.



Well, don't worry. We will have plenty of data on this soon. Klein will be proven wrong.
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Old 07-23-2021, 11:44 AM   #276
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Infection rates are hitting peaks now in some parts of the country, so it's coming to your neighborhood unless you've achieved herd immunity. That's a start.
Infection rates are peaking! What about deaths and hospitalizations?

Again, we’ve been open and running for the majority of the pandemic, and have been a hot spot for tourism (even more than usual).

I know many many people that have had COVID, but not 1 that has been hospitalized or died.

I’ll take my chances.

If I lived in a big city, and had more contact with strangers and people in general, I’d be more concerned.
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Old 07-23-2021, 11:45 AM   #277
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I'm speaking about vaccine efficacy and such, not natural infection, so my apologies. I believe I crossed up talking points.

Natural infection will give you so many epitopes to recognize along with strong cellular immunity. Depending on antigenic drift, it's not gonna be long durable but will hold up well, IMO.

But you also have to get sick to get that.
Correct.

I get that someone high risk would want to avoid natural infection. I wasn't speaking on that, just durability of natural infection.

T cells were recognizing Sars1 17 years later.
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Old 07-23-2021, 11:46 AM   #278
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Vaccination offers longer, stronger immunity, says virologist Sabra Klein.



Well, don't worry. We will have plenty of data on this soon. Klein will be proven wrong.
Do you think she's lying? She's wrong? Does she not know as much about virology as you?
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Old 07-23-2021, 11:47 AM   #279
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Infection rates are peaking! What about deaths and hospitalizations?
Hospitalization rates are going through the roof.
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Old 07-23-2021, 11:48 AM   #280
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Correct.

I get that someone high risk would want to avoid natural infection. I wasn't speaking on that, just durability of natural infection.

T cells were recognizing Sars1 17 years later.
Recognition doesn't equal sterilization. I'd have to draw back on some Immunological memory lectures and thats been, well, a while.
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Old 07-23-2021, 11:48 AM   #281
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Do you think she's lying? She's wrong? Does she not know as much about virology as you?

Honestly, I think she's lying. Of course she knows more than me.
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Hospitalization rates are going through the roof.
Well that’s unfortunate, but it’s not happening here and I don’t see it happening.

Again, I’ve already had COVID. I will take my chances.
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Infection rates are peaking! What about deaths and hospitalizations?

Again, we’ve been open and running for the majority of the pandemic, and have been a hot spot for tourism (even more than usual).

I know many many people that have had COVID, but not 1 that has been hospitalized or died.

I’ll take my chances.

If I lived in a big city, and had more contact with strangers and people in general, I’d be more concerned.
The only part of this that makes sense is that you'll take your chances.

Trying to make scientific arguments against vaccination isn't going to work. The idea that your location (a.) isn't urban enough, (b.) hasn't been a hot spot yet, (c.) is probably fine because you don't know any of the hundreds of thousands of people who've been hospitalized or died, or (d.) that you literally don't know the death rates or hospitalizations...

These are all weak arguments/sentiments at best and flat out wrong at worst.

You just don't want to take it, and you're not being up front with why. Because you're too smart to believe that any of those listed items make sense.
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Honestly, I think she's lying. Of course she knows more than me.
Why do you think she's lying?
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Gat Damn. And just when I was starting to miss the morality posturing on this subject.

Yippee!
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