Falcon and The Winter Soldier trailer

[-King-]

After a good episode 4, they ruined it with that bullshit episode. I've never given less of a **** about a plot point than I do about Sam's family/boat. Crazy what wandavision did in 20-30 minutes compared to what this show is doing in a whole hour.

[crayzkirk]

I was considering getting Disney+ for the MCU features so I would like to thank everyone for their opinions on Scarlet Witch and Vision plus Falcon and The Winter Soldier. After IW and EG my interest has really declined in the MCU. Maybe it's like Star Wars and Star Trek, so much of the BS present in society is creeping into entertainment and I'd rather be able to escape that rather than be reminded.

Thanks for saving me some $.

[Buehler445]

For those that have forgotten.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

For those that have forgotten.

Best fight in the MCU imo. Dr. Strange vs Thanos is a close second (the NYC fight and pretty much all the fights in Infinity War are also outstanding).

[GloucesterChief]

It just feels like we are only getting like a third of the story.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by GloucesterChief

It just feels like we are only getting like a third of the story.

too late now

a bunch of twitter lefties took super soldier serum and we got this instead

[Deberg_1990]

Sam and Bucky would make a killing on Onlyfans

[Baby Lee]

I think part of what subconsciously bugs people, beyond some of the on-the-nose messaging and speechifying, is there seems to be a startling amount of incoherence in the details. Just little things that don't register right away, but send your BS-meters off.

Like what Sam starts calling in favors, there's a shot of the house on the gulf isolated, and Sam's introduction on the phone voiceover 'hey, it's Sam from DOWN THE STREET.'

Like all the BS non-work they're doing on the boat. Puny little palm sander on a what looks like storage pallets, scraping paint off a huge wood stanchion, vaguely tinkering near something that looks engine-like. For a moment, you think OK, these are all mundane tasks that will eventually have to be addressed maybe? Then at the end, . . . . that was the first afternoon of 'work.' And what on a fishing boat has steam pipefitting that just starts leaking?

Like when Bucky faces off with Zemo at the memorial, pretends like he's gonna shoot him, then drops the bullets . . . like he slid them out of a revolver? If you were even gonna pull that showy demonstration, why not just drop the CLIP and show it to him. Somewhere before he got to the memorial, Bucky took the clip of and pulled each bullet out of it, just so he could drop them on the ground? And that demonstration was to what? Let the Wakanda force SNEAK UP on Zemo from behind, even though it turned out he wasn't gonna fight or flee anyway?

Like I said, no one thing is a big deal, just an accumulating sense of incoherence. So many of the 'background' tasks they were doing to set the narrative seemed like amateur acting workshop spacework, like for a stage play before they get the actual set dressing. You know, where they fold the same shirt for 10 minutes, or push the same spoonful of potatoes around the plate without ever eating.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I think part of what subconsciously bugs people, beyond some of the on-the-nose messaging and speechifying, is there seems to be a startling amount of incoherence in the details. Just little things that don't register right away, but send your BS-meters off.

Like what Sam starts calling in favors, there's a shot of the house on the gulf isolated, and Sam's introduction on the phone voiceover 'hey, it's Sam from DOWN THE STREET.'

Like all the BS non-work they're doing on the boat. Puny little palm sander on a what looks like storage pallets, scraping paint off a huge wood stanchion, vaguely tinkering near something that looks engine-like. For a moment, you think OK, these are all mundane tasks that will eventually have to be addressed maybe? Then at the end, . . . . that was the first afternoon of 'work.' And what on a fishing boat has steam pipefitting that just starts leaking?

Like when Bucky faces off with Zemo at the memorial, pretends like he's gonna shoot him, then drops the bullets . . . like he slid them out of a revolver? If you were even gonna pull that showy demonstration, why not just drop the CLIP and show it to him. Somewhere before he got to the memorial, Bucky took the clip of and pulled each bullet out of it, just so he could drop them on the ground? And that demonstration was to what? Let the Wakanda force SNEAK UP on Zemo from behind, even though it turned out he wasn't gonna fight or flee anyway?

Like I said, no one thing is a big deal, just an accumulating sense of incoherence.

Yeah. I think there is an element of that. I usually don’t bring up mechanical stuff because I’m probably an outlier because I actually work on shit. And my wife just rolls her eyes when I point out physics impossibilities.

The gun thing didn’t bother me. It’s pretty easy to store a gun empty and put the bullets in your pocket rather than the clip.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

Yeah. I think there is an element of that. I usually don’t bring up mechanical stuff because I’m probably an outlier because I actually work on shit. And my wife just rolls her eyes when I point out physics impossibilities.

The gun thing didn’t bother me. It’s pretty easy to store a gun empty and put the bullets in your pocket rather than the clip.

Yeah, that was more unnecessary theatrical flourish than purely illogical. And really, the entire scene had me scratching my head for what they were trying to convey, more than just the unnecessary bullet stuff. Basically, I sensed that the writers fell in love with the image of the bullets falling to the ground and didn't care much about the rest. Plus, as I said, it's a cumulative thing. A sense of fashion over verisimilitude. And part of why it's jarring here is that MCU has had a subtle brand of, even when the tech is fantastical, they put the time into the details to make it plausible [even though much of it is realistically ridiculous]. Or at the very least they wink at their most ridiculous parts [do you guys just put 'quantum' in front of everything?]

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Yeah, that was more unnecessary theatrical flourish than purely illogical. And really, the entire scene had me scratching my head for what they were trying to convey, more than just the unnecessary bullet stuff. Basically, I sensed that the writers fell in love with the image of the bullets falling to the ground and didn't care much about the rest. Plus, as I said, it's a cumulative thing. A sense of fashion over verisimilitude. And part of why it's jarring here is that MCU has had a subtle brand of, even when the tech is fantastical, they put the time into the details to make it plausible [even though much of it is realistically ridiculous]. Or at the very least they wink at their most ridiculous parts [do you guys just put 'quantum' in front of everything?]

Fair.

And that’s probably part of it that’s killing the pacing. If it’s a movie, Bucky probably rolls into Sams place, and it goes like this

Sam: “Did you get him or do I need to do your work for you.”

Bucky: *Bucky face* “Angry Wakanda Chick is taking him to the raft. They’re salty I got him out. But hey, they gave me this... don’t do you things and break it. Again.”

And then the plot proceeds.

I really enjoy Sam and Buckys interactions. Especially when there is sarcasm and banter. And the grief counseling portion of their interaction was compelling television. But it needs editing.

It could be a coronavirus function though. A dork video I watched speculated that there was a virus storyline (they had some evidence) that would have been in poor taste post-corona. So it could be a Quantum of Solace-esque hatchet job to the script. Or not. Who knows.

[Baby Lee]

Dance off!!

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[Fish]

The whole concept of the Flag Smashers is just dumb as hell. They want to restore things to how they were when half of the universe disappeared? Really? You're going to use terrorism to reunite the world? Really? Led by a skinny freckled ginger girl with a British accent? Really? And the general public is like "Yes, this is a thing that I would like to support by joining your violent revolution! Let's all meet at the park?"

The whole series feels like cheap filler scenes cut from other Marvel movies. Bad writing. There's just nothing there to give it any individuality. Mostly feels meaningless with just enough sprinkles of interest to keep me watching.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Fish

The whole concept of the Flag Smashers is just dumb as hell. They want to restore things to how they were when half of the universe disappeared? Really? You're going to use terrorism to reunite the world? Really? Led by a skinny freckled ginger girl with a British accent? Really? And the general public is like "Yes, this is a thing that I would like to support by joining your violent revolution! Let's all meet at the park?"

The whole series feels like cheap filler scenes cut from other Marvel movies. Bad writing. There's just nothing there to give it any individuality. Mostly feels meaningless with just enough sprinkles of interest to keep me watching.

The scene at the park was the dumbest funniest thing I've seen in a while.