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Old 10-05-2020, 10:25 AM  
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Quick reminder of why you shouldn't make stupid trades
Houston is currently 0-4 and Miami owns their 1st and 2nd round picks.
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Old 10-05-2020, 12:13 PM   #46
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Yeah, I agree. If I'm driving when Cowherd is on, I'll still listen because he's an entertaining radio jockey, but he can't seem to not douche it up.

An example would be he takes a reasonable take like, "The team and the environment matter more than how high you're drafted in the NFL, because if your GM is Ryan Grigson, not even Andrew Luck can avoid dying in that situation."

But now he's warped it into, "The environment you're drafted into matters in the NFL. Patrick Mahomes got Andy Reid and a great GM and a lot of weapons, so now he's super successful and Sam Darnold has to eat shit."

If Sam Darnold were on Mahomes' level, he might still be losing football games in his situation, but he'd at least be far more respected as a QB than he is. The NFL would treat him like they do Philip Rivers or Matt Stafford. At some point Colin has to just admit that his boy Darnold sucks... or at the very least was a QB who was VERY dependent on the situation he got drafted into, unlike some players...
Ohhhhh, you had to mention Sam Darnold.

Cowherd would make a python blush with how much he unhinged his jaw for Sam.
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Old 10-05-2020, 12:17 PM   #47
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If you're into devastating background information.

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Old 10-05-2020, 12:24 PM   #48
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You also shouldn’t pay average QBs $40 million per year. That team is done as being a legitimate competitor for years.
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Old 10-05-2020, 12:28 PM   #49
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That’s part of it. NFL should have done them like the Browns. Left all the Oilers history and brand with Houston
I wish Houston would go back to being the Oilers. The "Texans" is just dumb.
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Old 10-05-2020, 12:28 PM   #50
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The Dolphins are another good draft and Tua working out from making NE a 3rd place team every year.
If the Dolphins end up with the #1 overall pick from Houston, that will be a crazy decision they'll have to make with it.

On one hand yes they could get a Herschel Walker-type haul from trading that pick for the rights to draft Lawrence... but the fact that Lawrence is such a generational talent and Tua with his injury history has question marks about his long term viability as a franchise QB... I think they should consider drafting Lawrence and trading Tua.

Arizona trading Josh Rosen after only one year... there is precedent.
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Old 10-05-2020, 12:30 PM   #51
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I wish Houston would go back to being the Oilers. The "Texans" is just dumb.
I would've gone with "Houston Humidity". It's way more intimidating to me than Texans or Oilers.
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Old 10-05-2020, 12:36 PM   #52
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This is before you factor in that he also traded a top 3 WR for the ghost of David Johnson.
Yeah, but he needed to make that trade so he could justify trading a 2nd rounder to take over the contractual disaster that the Rams handed Brandin Cooks. Who caught 0 passes yesterday.

David Johnson is at least contributing. Watch them end up cutting Cooks this off-season lol
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Old 10-05-2020, 01:09 PM   #53
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Yeah, but he needed to make that trade so he could justify trading a 2nd rounder to take over the contractual disaster that the Rams handed Brandin Cooks. Who caught 0 passes yesterday.

David Johnson is at least contributing. Watch them end up cutting Cooks this off-season lol
Oh yeah I forgot about that disaster.
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Old 10-05-2020, 01:12 PM   #54
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Houston is currently 0-4 and Miami owns their 1st and 2nd round picks.

If they draft right...the Dolphins are building a powerhouse.
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Old 10-05-2020, 01:35 PM   #55
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BoB is a Grigson level executive.
He might be worse.

Grigson's biggest crime was always failing to do enough to surround his star quarterback.

BoB actively sabotages his.

The work BoB has done to wreck that roster is some of the worst I've ever seen. Donald Sterling didn't blow things up this badly. And there's just no clear path forward for them either.

I mean think about this - Will Fuller is a pending FA. They're gonna have to pay that guy $10-12 million/season or watch their WR corps get even worse. And they'll have to cut Cooks (because lord knows they can't pay him $12 million next season and he has zero dead cap money). Randall Cobb has a $12 million cap hit for them next season that they can't get out of. Randall Cobb!!

And they don't have a 1st or 2nd rounder. I mean there's nothing that's going to save that team. They may win 4-5 this year in the softer part of their schedule but that team has a 6 win ceiling for the foreseeable future.

They're a complete mess.
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He might be worse.

Grigson's biggest crime was always failing to do enough to surround his star quarterback.

BoB actively sabotages his.

The work BoB has done to wreck that roster is some of the worst I've ever seen. Donald Sterling didn't blow things up this badly. And there's just no clear path forward for them either.

I mean think about this - Will Fuller is a pending FA. They're gonna have to pay that guy $10-12 million/season or watch their WR corps get even worse. And they'll have to cut Cooks (because lord knows they can't pay him $12 million next season and he has zero dead cap money). Randall Cobb has a $12 million cap hit for them next season that they can't get out of. Randall Cobb!!

And they don't have a 1st or 2nd rounder. I mean there's nothing that's going to save that team. They may win 4-5 this year in the softer part of their schedule but that team has a 6 win ceiling for the foreseeable future.

They're a complete mess.
They're also spending the most cash this year of any team at 225 mill.
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Old 10-05-2020, 01:50 PM   #57
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Old 10-05-2020, 01:55 PM   #58
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He might be worse.

Grigson's biggest crime was always failing to do enough to surround his star quarterback.

BoB actively sabotages his.

The work BoB has done to wreck that roster is some of the worst I've ever seen. Donald Sterling didn't blow things up this badly. And there's just no clear path forward for them either.

I mean think about this - Will Fuller is a pending FA. They're gonna have to pay that guy $10-12 million/season or watch their WR corps get even worse. And they'll have to cut Cooks (because lord knows they can't pay him $12 million next season and he has zero dead cap money). Randall Cobb has a $12 million cap hit for them next season that they can't get out of. Randall Cobb!!

And they don't have a 1st or 2nd rounder. I mean there's nothing that's going to save that team. They may win 4-5 this year in the softer part of their schedule but that team has a 6 win ceiling for the foreseeable future.

They're a complete mess.
And despite all those problems, they had a 24-0 lead on the Chiefs in a playoff game. That's the crazy thing about the NFL. You can do everything right and get screwed by flukey stuff or injuries, etc.

Knowing what a mess Houston is, that would have been a bitter pill to swallow if KC found a way to lose that game. They dug themselves out of the flukey 24-0 hole in epic fashion, but it was still way too dicey of a situation.
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And despite all those problems, they had a 24-0 lead on the Chiefs in a playoff game. That's the crazy thing about the NFL. You can do everything right and get screwed by flukey stuff or injuries, etc.

Knowing what a mess Houston is, that would have been a bitter pill to swallow if KC found a way to lose that game. They dug themselves out of the flukey 24-0 hole in epic fashion, but it was still way too dicey of a situation.
The 2019 Texans had a puncher's chance of winning the whole thing, IMO.

And if Watson were as good as his hype train says he is, they would have. Or at least they wouldn't have managed to yack up that 24 point lead.

At some point Watson has to take some ownership of the fact that at 24-7, the Texans got 8 more drives and put up a whopping 7 points. That's WITH Hopkins on the field. And a healthy Fuller and Kenny Stills. Carlos Hyde is mediocre but was effective for them last season and Duke Johnson is an excellent receiving back who he also had available. Tunsil didn't have his big contract yet so he was getting one of the best pass-blocking LTs in the business to cover his blind side.

He had a LOT going for him in that game and failed. Now this season's a different creature because of the off-season personnel decisions and some injuries, but last season's Texans team was no push-over.

Give Mahomes that same roster and the Texans win a championship. There's little doubt of it in my mind. Even w/ BoB at HC (because again, I think the guys a solid HC, if a shitty GM).

Watson's fortunate that BoB is taking these bullets because Deshaun deserves a few of 'em in his own right.
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The 2019 Texans had a puncher's chance of winning the whole thing, IMO.

And if Watson were as good as his hype train says he is, they would have. Or at least they wouldn't have managed to yack up that 24 point lead.

At some point Watson has to take some ownership of the fact that at 24-7, the Texans got 8 more drives and put up a whopping 7 points. That's WITH Hopkins on the field. And a healthy Fuller and Kenny Stills. Carlos Hyde is mediocre but was effective for them last season and Duke Johnson is an excellent receiving back who he also had available. Tunsil didn't have his big contract yet so he was getting one of the best pass-blocking LTs in the business to cover his blind side.

He had a LOT going for him in that game and failed. Now this season's a different creature because of the off-season personnel decisions and some injuries, but last season's Texans team was no push-over.

Give Mahomes that same roster and the Texans win a championship. There's little doubt of it in my mind. Even w/ BoB at HC (because again, I think the guys a solid HC, if a shitty GM).

Watson's fortunate that BoB is taking these bullets because Deshaun deserves a few of 'em in his own right.
The defense was kind of a dumpster fire. I think Shanahan's offense would have torched them.
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