Alpha WR's

[MahomesMagic]

Thought I would create a thread dedicated to the Alpha WR's as there has been a lot of attention already on getting a better Mecole or MVS or tiny 140 lb slot WR's.



Alphas can't be stopped, you can only pray to contain them.


Malik Nabers




Adonai Mitchell

Adonai Mitchell is no stranger to Georgia fans. 2nd & 18, 8:16 left in the fourth quarter, Stetson Bennett drops back and completes a 40-yard touchdown strike to Mitchell over the outstretched Alabama defender to garner Georgia the lead in the national title.
It's arguably the biggest catch in program history, and according to sources, Mitchell is only scratching the surface of his stardom. It's virtually every day at this point, Mitchell will have people within the building raving about some miraculous catch he's made, or how he caught 80% of the footballs during 11on11 scrimmages.




Watch as Adonai takes over the game and has to be held repeatedly to avoid further embarrassment.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Either way, I don't know how anyone can conclude that Ladd McConkey is in the same tier as Worthy or Mitchell. He's in that next tier but the drop is substantial.

He's not in the same tier as Mitchell.

He is a better football player than Worthy.


So similar enough tier to Worthy.

I would place McConk high 2nd and Worthy as a mid 2nd to late 2nd.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I am not going to Google but my recollection was Spielman did well for a while then eventually had a few bad drafts and was gone.

But he was successful for many years.

Yeah, he played for Detroit but was GM for Minnesota. I had to Google the other guy... Matt Millen... now that guy is a ****ing doofus. Spielman did okay, I can respect his opinion.

I think a lot of positional variation gets thrown by the wayside though.

That's like saying any LT can play LT for a zone-passing team or a man-running team. Or that any ER can play 4-3 LDE, RDE, 3-4 OLB, or 3-4 5T. We just know that isn't how it works.

Andy Reid's offense is predicated on quickness and variability at the WR spot. You better be able to play at least 2 spots with regularity, especially when you get outside of the X. Even then, he moves guys a lot.

On top of all that, I'm just not impressed with Mitchell saying he ran a lot of routes at 80%. That's not a great thing to be telling future employers. It does confirm what you see on tape too, because he looks every bit of a 4.6 player on tape. The last thing I need to see out there is a guy half-assing it until he feels like it. And that, alone, disqualifies him as an Alpha.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Yeah, he played for Detroit but was GM for Minnesota. I had to Google the other guy... Matt Millen... now that guy is a ****ing doofus. Spielman did okay, I can respect his opinion.

I think a lot of positional variation gets thrown by the wayside though.

That's like saying any LT can play LT for a zone-passing team or a man-running team. Or that any ER can play 4-3 LDE, RDE, 3-4 OLB, or 3-4 5T. We just know that isn't how it works.

Andy Reid's offense is predicated on quickness and variability at the WR spot. You better be able to play at least 2 spots with regularity, especially when you get outside of the X. Even then, he moves guys a lot.

On top of all that, I'm just not impressed with Mitchell saying he ran a lot of routes at 80%. That's not a great thing to be telling future employers. It does confirm what you see on tape too, because he looks every bit of a 4.6 player on tape. The last thing I need to see out there is a guy half-assing it until he feels like it. And that, alone, disqualifies him as an Alpha.

I think you are just reading way too much into the guy.

If NFL teams agree with you he won't get drafted in the 1st.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I think you are just reading way too much into the guy.

If NFL teams agree with you he won't get drafted in the 1st.

I asked you to bet the under on 4.59 going off what I saw on tape. I said Worthy would run at least a 4.29. I don't think that's "reading" into anything. I said immediately after he ran 4.34 that I had more questions than I had before and then he outright confirmed he was half-assing it a lot so he could last the entire game. So now you want him to go into an Andy Reid offense that runs these guys all over the place. That scares me a little.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I asked you to bet the under on 4.59 going off what I saw on tape. I said Worthy would run at least a 4.29. I don't think that's "reading" into anything. I said immediately after he ran 4.34 that I had more questions than I had before and then he outright confirmed he was half-assing it a lot so he could last the entire game. So now you want him to go into an Andy Reid offense that runs these guys all over the place. That scares me a little.

I don't know, maybe you are reading into it too much?

My belief is he was saying he was focused on getting open, not just running fast down the field. Not "half-assing it".

As to Reid's offense, someone has to line up outside. He can do that and he can line up in the slot too.

No big deal.

Maybe you should be more concerned about Worthy outside against NFL corners rather than if Adonai could get open from the slot.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I don't know, maybe you are reading into it too much?

My belief is he was saying he was focused on getting open, not just running fast down the field. Not "half-assing it".

As to Reid's offense, someone has to line up outside. He can do that and he can line up in the slot too.

No big deal.

Maybe you should be more concerned about Worthy outside against NFL corners rather than if Adonai could get open from the slot.

Why would I worry about Worthy on the outside? He was the focal point of college defenses and constantly drew their #1 CB.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Why would I worry about Worthy on the outside? He was the focal point of college defenses and constantly drew their #1 CB.

NFL corners different than college.


It's certainly a bigger question if Worthy can escape top end press than if Adonai could get open from the slot position.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

NFL corners different than college.


It's certainly a bigger question if Worthy can escape top end press than if Adonai could get open from the slot position.

So, you have no concern about your boy struggling to produce against the lesser college CB most weeks? I do.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by kccrow

So, you have no concern about your boy struggling to produce against the lesser college CB most weeks? I do.

You’re way too driven by college production.

Parris Campbell was the focal at Ohio State.

Did not make him an NFL focal.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

You’re way too driven by college production.

Parris Campbell was the focal at Ohio State.

Did not make him an NFL focal.

You are using a terrible example if you want to make one. Injuries are the reason for Parris Campbell not being a great player.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by kccrow

You are using a terrible example if you want to make one. Injuries are the reason for Parris Campbell not being a great player.

He just wasn’t that good.

Overrated based on college role.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

He just wasn’t that good.

Overrated based on college role.

And he's also got your alpha traits, so there's that. 6'1" 205 with 4.31 speed. Could just as well end up being Mitchell.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by kccrow

And he's also got your alpha traits, so there's that. 6'1" 205 with 4.31 speed. Could just as well end up being Mitchell.

He was never an alpha.

His teammate McLaurin was my guy.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

He was never an alpha.

His teammate McLaurin was my guy.

I'm an Ohio State fan. Not anyone in their right mind would have thought McLaurin would have developed into anything more than a quality deep ball WR/#2. The fact that he developed into a top-shelf #2, low-end #1, much like Godwin in Tampa Bay, is much to do with his work ethic and the right fit.

I screamed for Stefon Diggs, but that doesn't make me the end-all-be-all expert on WRs either.

It takes a good bit of luck with WRs sometimes. I've become a bit of the opinion that intelligence matters a bit more at WR than it's given credit because I've seen far too many top-shelf athletes burn at the position. That is hard to gauge for us. I can gauge 1k yards receiving and a reasonable drop % and get part of the way there but even that isn't full-proof. Quentin Johnston, so far, case in point.

[Couch-Potato]

Mirror-mirror on the wall,
who's the most alpha of them all?