2020 Royals Official Offseason/Season Repository

[Al Bundy]

Players start reporting Feb 12th.
New Ownership.
Spring training games begin Feb 20th against the Rangers.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by DanT

Another thing that Dayton Moore has, and which fits right into the Royals culture that was established by Ewing Kauffman, is class. The way he looked after his ballplayers this year with the impacts of COVID was noted throughout the league. I like rooting for classy folks, classy teams and classy organizations.

But not if you like porn.

[DanT]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

If that was the case, why did it start and end there?

Sometimes, teams get lucky.

Dayton Moore deserves to be fired and should have been fired after 2017.

There are 15 teams in the American League and 30 teams in the Majors. One of those teams has way, way, way, the **** more revenue than everyone else. Dayton Moore started with the Royals in June, 2006, when they were a mess, not just at the major league level but throughout the organization.
So he's been involved with the Royals for all or part of 15 seasons and has won 2 pennants and 1 World Series championship. That's very good performance. The Royals were one of four 1969 expansion teams. Dayton won the Royals 2nd title before any of the other 3 teams (Padres, Pilots/Brewers, Expos/Nationals) had won their first.

It's not easy winning pennants, let alone titles. There are other teams competing, too. In baseball, some of those teams have way, way, way the hell more money to spend than others.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DanT

There are 15 teams in the American League and 30 teams in the Majors. One of those teams has way, way, way, the **** more revenue than everyone else. Dayton Moore started with the Royals in June, 2006, when they were a mess, not just at the major league level but throughout the organization.
So he's been involved with the Royals for all or part of 15 seasons and has won 2 pennants and 1 World Series championship. That's very good performance. The Royals were one of four 1969 expansion teams. Dayton won the Royals 2nd title before any of the other 3 teams (Padres, Pilots/Brewers, Expos/Nationals) had won their first.

It's not easy winning pennants, let alone titles. There are other teams competing, too. In baseball, some of those teams have way, way, way the hell more money to spend than others.

I’m sorry but I am really, really, really, really, really, really, really tired of this excuse.

If teams can’t field competitive teams on a regular basis, it’s time for new leadership or just outright contraction.

[Deberg_1990]

Yea. Why does it have to be all or nothing with this franchise? Why can’t we be competitive nearly every year?

Why the extreme peaks and valleys?

[ChiefsCountry]

Last 10 years, Royals have more World Series championships than the Yankees and Dodgers. Same number of World Series appearances as Red Sox, Astros, and Cardinals. And the same number of World Series championships as the two teams that were suppose to be dynasties in Astros and Cubs.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Yea. Why does it have to be all or nothing with this franchise? Why can’t we be competitive nearly every year?

Why the extreme peaks and valleys?

Because while they were good they drafted like ballsack, basically starting with the Colon year they drafted horribly for a lot of years. You can't overcome that when you are the Royals so when all the guys left they had no one to replace them due to years of incompetent drafting.

You can't just blow 6 years of drafts and think you're gonna just keep rollin.

[DanT]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Last 10 years, Royals have more World Series championships than the Yankees and Dodgers. Same number of World Series appearances as Red Sox, Astros, and Cardinals. And the same number of World Series championships as the two teams that were suppose to be dynasties in Astros and Cubs.

Exactly. Here's the tabulation of pennants and World Series titles for American League pennant winners starting with Dayton Moore's first (partial) season with the Royals, 2006:

Team...Pennants (WS Titles)
Red Sox...3 (3)
Astros......2 (1)
Royals......2 (1)
Rangers...2 (0)
Tigers.....2 (0)
Yankees...1 (1)
Indians...1 (0)
Rays.......1 (0)

We're tied with the Astros for second place in number of pennants, using World Series titles as a tiebreaker.
I'm fine with Dayton Moore. That 2015 Royals team put together the most enjoyable sports season I've ever watched, and I've been rooting for the Royals and Chiefs all my life (born in 1965).

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I’m sorry but I am really, really, really, really, really, really, really tired of this excuse.

If teams can’t field competitive teams on a regular basis, it’s time for new leadership or just outright contraction.

I wish we could have the year after year talent of the Dodgers....

and not win shit!!!

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by DanT

Exactly. Here's the tabulation of pennants and World Series titles for American League pennant winners starting with Dayton Moore's first (partial) season with the Royals, 2006:

Team...Pennants (WS Titles)
Red Sox...3 (3)
Astros......2 (1)
Royals......2 (1)
Rangers...2 (0)
Tigers.....2 (0)
Yankees...1 (1)
Indians...1 (0)
Rays.......1 (0)

We're tied with the Astros for second place in number of pennants, using World Series titles as a tiebreaker.
I'm fine with Dayton Moore. That 2015 Royals team put together the most enjoyable sports season I've ever watched, and I've been rooting for the Royals and Chiefs all my life (born in 1965).

So Dayton gets a free pass for life? I’m grateful for what he did, but he shouldn’t be above criticism for sure.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by lewdog

I wish we could have the year after year talent of the Dodgers....

and not win shit!!!

I’d be happy if the Royals were competitive year in and year out.


Be playoff eligible three times a decade and win a playoff series now and then.


29 year playoff droughts shouldn’t be standard.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I’d be happy if the Royals were competitive year in and year out.


Be playoff eligible three times a decade and win a series here or there.


29 year playoff droughts shouldn’t be standard.

Do you still have your 1988 Dodgers World Series Champ shirt?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Do you still have your 1988 Dodgers World Series Champ shirt?

Yeah, it’s framed and on the wall right next to a replica of the Chargers Super Bowl Championship ring.

[tk13]

Dayton's not above criticism, no one is. But there's a couple realities as to why we're where we are.

1.) Dayton did not draft well in the mid-2010s and we're paying for it.
2.) He was in a brutal spot with the World Series group. Ticket sales and fan interest was through the roof. If he dismantles that World Series group early to get decent trade value out of them, he gets completely destroyed. "How could you break up a World Series champion?" So he rode it out to the end for two more years. There is not a person here who would have supported dismantling that team in 2016, and if you say so you're lying. Him and Glass would have been run out of town. So you have to start from scratch. Otherwise you're waiting for the draft picks you get in 2018 to get up here, which we're just starting to see. Especially since they didn't draft well.

[DanT]

Originally Posted by tk13

Dayton's not above criticism, no one is. But there's a couple realities as to why we're where we are.

1.) Dayton did not draft well in the mid-2010s and we're paying for it.
2.) He was in a brutal spot with the World Series group. Ticket sales and fan interest was through the roof. If he dismantles that World Series group early he gets completely destroyed. "How could you break up a World Series champion?" So he rode it out to the end for two more years. There is not a person here who would have supported dismantling that team in 2016, and if you say so you're lying. Him and Glass would have been run out of town. So you have to start from scratch. Otherwise you're waiting for the draft picks you get in 2018 to get up here, which we're just starting to see. Especially since they didn't draft well.

I agree with these two points. I also have no regrets about what the Royals did in 2016 and 2017 with the players they had. There were definitely fans and analysts who thought the wiser course would be to start the rebuild/retooling then, but I was OK with what the Royals did because I felt if that team did somehow get into the playoffs, they would have a knack for making it interesting. There's also something to be said for not breaking faith with a core team of players that became champions.

One additional point, the Royals handled the 2015 season superbly when they picked up Cueto and Zobrist at midseason. In recent seasons, at least one other team, the Pirates, saw their windows open and close without the team taking decisive steps. I will always be grateful for that 2015 team and how they rose to the great expectations that had been placed on them.

[tk13]

And the next argument is "How do you know he couldn't have traded them in 2017 for something?"

Because no one gives you squat for rentals anymore. And we don't need to guess with this because Dayton literally traded Moose a year later and made one of the better trades at that deadline, and even then both guys he was traded for are no longer on the team. We're probably better off with the comp picks and guys like Kowar and Lynch at that point.