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Old 06-06-2019, 07:42 AM  
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75th Anniversary of D-Day. The greatest generation saves us from the Nazi's.
At the time, we still could have lost the war, It was not decided. If this landing failed.... we could have ended up with Nazis controlling part of the world. These 18-20 year old kids who have never left their hometown out of the hills of Kentucky, plains of Kansas etc. saved us and the whole world from the Nazi's. A debt of remembrance is forever due.
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Old 06-06-2019, 11:55 AM   #31
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And those people who harbored that opinion had a profit motive. Not an altruistic "we need to deliver freedom to oppressed people" motive.
Of course. There's the unsupported kook conspiracy theory again.
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Old 06-06-2019, 11:57 AM   #32
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Go ahead and argue why it was better for the USA to "save" western Europe from the Soviets when they could have defeated Nazi Germany on their own.
Oh yes. Europe would be so much better off if all of Western Europe had also gone through everything Eastern Europe went through in the last 75 years.
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Old 06-06-2019, 12:00 PM   #33
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Old 06-06-2019, 12:00 PM   #34
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From an American perspective, no. It was not.

You're a fool who has no concept of the post-war environment or the Cold War and its affects on our country over the ensuing TWO GENERATIONS.
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Old 06-06-2019, 12:02 PM   #35
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You're a fool who has no concept of the post-war environment or the Cold War and its affects on our country over the ensuing TWO GENERATIONS.
Obviously you aren't reading enough Antiwar.com
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Old 06-06-2019, 12:05 PM   #36
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I suppose, for some, after Germany declared war on us, we should have just replied with, "No thanks."
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Old 06-06-2019, 12:06 PM   #37
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But for the Europeans of nationalities / religions / sexual orientations that weren't being massacred by the SS, there was little difference being "liberated" by the US or the USSR.

And the world being a much more different place does not intrinsically mean it would be a worse place.
WOW. Just ****ing wow.

You realize, just as one example, that the Russians incited the Polish in Warsaw to rise up to fight the Germans, promising that their troops would be invading soon, then delayed, let the Polish get massacred (these were resistance leaders, of course, and the Soviets had no interest in seeing them survive the war to resist THEM), and THEN came in to clean up.

You're utterly delusional as to the evil of the USSR, much less blithely allowing Western Europe to suffer under Nazi occupation for some additional years.

While hte USSR would likely have won the war and taken Europe without D-Day, you would need to carefully evaluate the level of participation by the Western Allies to achieve that feat. The Russians absolutely DID NOT win the European theater "by themselves".

I can't even believe I'm having this discussion. I can understand arguments over the necessity of Hiroshima, though I firmly believe it necessary. That D-Day was entirely optional and the consequences of not launching the invasion were NOT materially detrimental to the US and its interests worldwide is stunningly naive and utterly misguided.
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Old 06-06-2019, 12:12 PM   #38
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And those people who harbored that opinion had a profit motive. Not an altruistic "we need to deliver freedom to oppressed people" motive.
I would just stop posting on this topic if I were you.
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How historically illiterate do you have to be to think that Stalin running the entire European continent would not have left them any worse off than they are today?
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How historically illiterate do you have to be to think that Stalin running the entire European continent would not have left them any worse off than they are today?
He isn't:

Go ahead and argue why it was better for the USA
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How historically illiterate do you have to be to think that Stalin running the entire European continent would not have left them any worse off than they are today?
Guess there must be a lot of historically illiterate people who actually lived under Soviet control then.


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Go ahead and argue why it was better for the USA
If it is better off then quantify it for the average American.
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Guess there must be a lot of historically illiterate people who actually lived under Soviet control then.
Did you even read that?

The acceptance of — and appetite for — democracy is much less evident today among the publics of the former Soviet republics of Russia and Ukraine, who lived the longest under communism. In contrast, Eastern Europeans, especially the Czechs and those in the former East Germany, are more accepting of the economic and societal upheavals of the past two decades.
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The acceptance of — and appetite for — democracy is much less evident today among the publics of the former Soviet republics of Russia and Ukraine, who lived the longest under communism. In contrast, Eastern Europeans, especially the Czechs and those in the former East Germany, are more accepting of the economic and societal upheavals of the past two decades.
Ten years ago, only the Poles and Slovaks showed an increase in approving the change to democracy as was asked in 1991. Czechs were unchanged. The rest of the Warsaw Pact thought they were worse off.
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Ten years ago, only the Poles and Slovaks showed an increase in approving the change to democracy as was asked in 1991. Czechs were unchanged. The rest of the Warsaw Pact thought they were worse off.
Yes, I'm sunned that Russia misses the good old days when they ran everything...
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Yes, I'm sunned that Russia misses the good old days when they ran everything...
Lithuania and Ukraine were the bigger surprises. Especially the former.
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