Skyy Moore

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yup.

Because we're headed down Frank Clark road.

If Moore gets 60 receptions for 700 yards, the handjobs will be wet and frequent. Because somehow running quick hitters underneath zones is not a 'gadget player' whereas anything Hardman does will be.

And when he gets that 60 receptions for 700 yards, I'll get called out because I'm a hater when in fact I think that's probably a pretty reasonable prediction.

60 for 700 would be phenomenal as a rookie because it would far exceed what you get from most 2nd round receivers. :P

If he's doing that in his 3rd year, then that might not be where you want him to be but it's still on par with what you'd expect from a late 2nd round WR.

As a prospect, he's insanely more polished than Mecole Hardman in every conceivable way. Based on the skills he brings to the table, he not only has a pretty high floor but the ceiling is also pretty high too. Because of that, I expect more from him than Mecole and I look to the fact that it has been done by similar players, with similar traits, even from the same conference. Guys like Tyler Lockett, Golden Tate, and Antonio Brown give me that confidence in him.

If he does only reach that 60 for 700 plateau? I can't say I'll be disappointed. That's more than reasonable production from his draft slot, regardless of how Alec Pierce, Tyquan Thornton, and George Pickens turn out. That's precisely why I don't bag on Mecole Hardman like so many around here do. He's an adequate receiver for where he was drafted. There were others I liked more and thought had better upside but that doesn't make Mecole a bad player.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by kccrow

60 for 700 would be phenomenal as a rookie because it would far exceed what you get from most 2nd round receivers. :P

If he's doing that in his 3rd year, then that might not be where you want him to be but it's still on par with what you'd expect from a late 2nd round WR.
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If he does only reach that 60 for 700 plateau? I can't say I'll be disappointed. That's more than reasonable production from his draft slot, regardless of how Alec Pierce, Tyquan Thornton, and George Pickens turn out. That's precisely why I don't bag on Mecole Hardman like so many around here do. He's an adequate receiver for where he was drafted. There were others I liked more and thought had better upside but that doesn't make Mecole a bad player.

I don't disagree.

60/700 wouldn't be disappointing. If he's out there at 45/500 though, that's an issue. If only because I believe immediate productivity and a shorter learning curve is what drove the pick. And if he comes out of the chute with that production, that doesn't speak well to his long-term prognosis.

Honestly, even 60/700 suggests he's not much more than a WR3 long-term, though. I don't see hardly any projection in the kid. But again - it's a second round pick. You get legit WR3 production for 4 years from him and it's a clear win.

Whereas a guy like Hardman, we KNEW would need a ton of work. We knew that guy was super raw.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

This is going to be a polarizing pick for years to come.

The Chiefs got 700 yards out of Mecole Hardman and the fans hate him.

The Chiefs will get 700 yards out of Skyy Moore and the fans will love him to death for it.

That's how this will go.

Skyy Moore will produce no matter what because it's what Andy Reid and Mahomes do.

Mecole got 700 yards as a schemed player taking shovel passes for TD’s. He also had the benefit of being on a team with prime Tyreek and Kelce, not to mention some games with Sammy. That makes life so much easier when you’re facing the 3rd corner 1v1 in schemed plays.

Skyy won’t get that luxury. Tyreek and Sammy are gone and Kelce is entering his declining years. It’s a different world for him. So yeah 700 yards would be more impressive given the circumstances.

It also says a lot that the Chiefs brass pretty much shit all over Mecole without saying his name after drafting this kid to replace him.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Mecole got 700 yards as a schemed player taking shovel passes for TD’s. He also had the benefit of being on a team with prime Tyreek and Kelce, not to mention some games with Sammy. That makes life so much easier when you’re facing the 3rd corner 1v1 in schemed plays.

Skyy won’t get that luxury. Tyreek and Sammy are gone and Kelce is entering his declining years. It’s a different world for him. So yeah 700 yards would be more impressive given the circumstances.

It also says a lot that the Chiefs brass pretty much shit all over Mecole without saying his name after drafting this kid to replace him.

It starts....

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

It starts....

Beat me to it.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Mecole got 700 yards as a schemed player taking shovel passes for TD’s. He also had the benefit of being on a team with prime Tyreek and Kelce, not to mention some games with Sammy. That makes life so much easier when you’re facing the 3rd corner 1v1 in schemed plays.

Skyy won’t get that luxury. Tyreek and Sammy are gone and Kelce is entering his declining years. It’s a different world for him. So yeah 700 yards would be more impressive given the circumstances.

It also says a lot that the Chiefs brass pretty much shit all over Mecole without saying his name after drafting this kid to replace him.

The lame excuses and bullshit have already started and it's only been a few days.

[ModSocks]

I'd be surprised if Pickens isn't a good player, btw.

Look no further than who drafted him. Pittsburgh might be the best team in the league at identifying WR talent.

They pretty much shit WR's. I can't remember a time, going back to my childhood, in which they didn't have talented WR's.

The fact that they took Pickens and Austin tells me i was probably right about those guys. We'll see.

****ing Steelers, man. We got a WR off them that i didn't want, and then they went and drafted two guys i woulda loved on this team. FML.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

I'd be surprised if Pickens isn't a good player, btw.

Look no further than who drafted him. Pittsburgh might be the best team in the league at identifying WR talent.

They pretty much shit WR's. I can't remember a time, going back to my childhood, in which they didn't have talented WR's.

The fact that they took Pickens and Austin tells me i was probably right about those guys. We'll see.

****ing Steelers, man. We got a WR off them that i didn't want, and then they went and drafted two guys i woulda loved on this team. FML.

They are in QB purgatory. The days of churning out WR's are probably over.

[O.city]

He's a 2nd rounder. What's teh expectation there? Most aren't gonna turn into #1 WR's. Hell if you hit and he turns into Tyler Lockett, that's great.

[RunKC]

C’mon guys. How many yards and TD’s from Mecole were quick tosses tosses or jet sweeps behind the LOS? We could have had a day 3 pick like DAT do this shit.

Are we really doing this this?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

C’mon guys. How many yards and TD’s from Mecole were quick tosses tosses or jet sweeps behind the LOS? We could have had a day 3 pick like DAT do this shit.

Are we really doing this this?

We just took a day 3 pick like DAT in the 2nd round.

Just like we took DAT in the 2nd round.

History repeats itself.

But I'm sure the 5'9'' dude with the sub-standard 3-cone time is just gonna go out there wrecking man coverage and won't have to be schemed into space.

Like I said - Frank Clark road. We're gonna keep watering down expectations. Literally an hour ago he was possibly the best WR in the class and a future #1. Now 700 yards is cool.

Seen this movie many many times.

[O.city]

We talked about not spending money on WR's now (as they didn't with Hill) because Mahomes makes money and they need him to make good WR's better.

Well, this seems like the ideal situation. You've got a high floor guy. Raise his floor Patrick.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

We just took a day 3 pick like DAT in the 2nd round.

Just like we took DAT in the 2nd round.

History repeats itself.

But I'm sure the 5'9'' dude with the sub-standard 3-cone time is just gonna go out there wrecking man coverage and won't have to be schemed into space.

Like I said - Frank Clark road. We're gonna keep watering down expectations. Literally an hour ago he was possibly the best WR in the class and a future #1. Now 700 yards is cool.

Seen this movie many many times.

I’d argue that you guys are pulling the Frank Clark talk here by saying Mecole’s 700 yards are impressive. We could have picked up an Albert Wilson type as an undrafted FA to do that role. Production is good for a 2nd rd pick but let’s be honest here: a schemed TD bc of a secondary lapse due to 2 HOF’s and Watkins garnering attention is the same as a DE getting a sack due to a free rush due to the tackle forgetting to block him bc Aaron Donald is right there inside.

Mecole being impressive is the same as saying Frank Clark can set the edge. Let’s be honest here: it’s not. And that’s why they drafted this kid.

You notice Mecole is like Frank? 2019 was his best year and it’s gone down hill ever since. They just can’t figure out what to do with this guy except be a gadget player who gets his passes in the backfield.

I think 700 yards and 7 TD’s is excellent for a rookie no matter who it is. Tyreek, Mecole and DeSean Jackson didn’t even do that.

[DJ's left nut]

If you think Mecole's most impressive year was 2019, I'm not sure how to respond to that.

Hardman was a genuine weapon last season, especially down the stretch. And again, Hardman has plays on his tape that nobody but a select few guys in the league can make. The TD down the sideline or on the jump pass against the Titans are plays that very VERY few people have the afterburners to pull off.

Yes, sometimes he has to be schemed into positions to succeed - but when we do that, he makes more yards out of those plays than most.

And again, if you think Skyy Moore is just going to go out there running basic route trees and killing man corners, you're gonna be real disappointed. We're going to have to scheme up plays for Moore as well. That's not a man-beater. And in the end that's why he'll spend most of the season as a gadget WR4 who may ascend to WR3 by season's end or in the case of injury.