Devin Bush ILB

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

Depends what he runs I think in Indy.

He could inch up that high and be a little Hightower ish.

I like him a lot, but an added bonus is that he legit plays with a real **** you attitude. This defense needs that.

He does play downhill and in the end that's probably what I've noticed that has moved him ever so slightly ahead of Wilson for me, though I think Wilson's a better pure athlete.

Hitchens is probably punching a little above his weight athleticially as a SLB but if you had Wilson and DoD out there with him, you'd sure be able to cover a lot of ground. Meanwhile Bush seems to just be a bit of a guided missile who could be pretty easily manipulated and you could see some pretty gaping holes in the middle with his aggression, DoD's youth and Hitchens mediocre athleticism.

I see arguments both ways but in the end it kinda just wants me to take them both off the board there. I don't know that I see either as ideal enough fits to convince me to use a 1st unless our board has just fallen to hell around us.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You're reaching for need if you take Bush in the 1st, IMO.

He's a fine prospect, but he's not a guy I'd be eager to take that high.

So if it came down to Bush or Wilson you’d take Wilson?

Asking because I’ve seen you say you would be ok with Wilson at 29.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by staylor26

So if it came down to Bush or Wilson you’d take Wilson?

Asking because I’ve seen you say you would be ok with Wilson at 29.

Yeah but I also changed my mind since then. I don't think I'd really like Wilson at 29 either. Same with Thompson who I would've originally been pretty happy with. I think I've joined the Adderley set there and would prefer him to Thompson.

Bush and Wilson are effectively a coinflip for me at this point though I probably like Bush a little more. I'd just be surprised if the board shook out in such a way that those are going to be my preferred choices.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Hitchens would be a viable Sam; not sure I like him as a Will at all. In the middle I think he's passable but perhaps a little less than I'd like to see there.

If we drafted a new MLB, the LB corps seems pretty straightfoward - Hitch as the SLB, Newjack in the middle and DoD as the WLB.

Devin Bush for 29.

[O.city]

The thing with Bush is that you can teach discipline in there and with his ability and attitude you end up with what?

Say he runs a 4.58 or something at the combine. That make you guys ok with him there?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

The thing with Bush is that you can teach discipline in there and with his ability and attitude you end up with what?

Say he runs a 4.58 or something at the combine. That make you guys ok with him there?

Recall a guy named Ben Heeney? Pure ILB out of KU - fast, athletic and aggressive. Went in the 5th round and washed out in 3 years - clocked right at that 4.58. He simply didn't have the necessary feel to play the game at the next level - he just wanted to run around out there and I see waaaaaaay to much of that with Bush.

I'm arguing against my previous position here as an unabashed SPARQ whore but that's what happens when you remember a guy who looked a LOT like this guy who amounted to nothing.

Now on the flipside - Bush starts to sound a lot like Eric Kendricks as well. Kendricks went mid-2nd though I think he maybe had a little more of a standout college career than Bush; dude won the Butkus award as a SR. Granted, Bush was a finalist twice.

Explain to me what makes Bush a clearly superior prospect to Kendricks. I don't see a more aggressive mentality and in fact I think Kendricks is equally aggressive while also having a better feel in space. I don't think he's an obviously better athlete and there's a chance he tests out worse.

I just think he's more of a mid-2nd guy. And again, it may turn out that a mid-2nd round who fits our needs is the best we can do - it would just disappoint me if that's the case.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Recall a guy named Ben Heeney? Pure ILB out of KU - fast, athletic and aggressive. Went in the 5th round and washed out in 3 years - clocked right at that 4.58. He simply didn't have the necessary feel to play the game at the next level - he just wanted to run around out there and I see waaaaaaay to much of that with Bush.

I'm arguing against my previous position here as an unabashed SPARQ whore but that's what happens when you remember a guy who looked a LOT like this guy who amounted to nothing.

Now on the flipside - Bush starts to sound a lot like Eric Kendricks as well. Kendricks went mid-2nd though I think he maybe had a little more of a standout college career than Bush; dude won the Butkus award as a SR. Granted, Bush was a finalist twice.

Explain to me what makes Bush a clearly superior prospect to Kendricks. I don't see a more aggressive mentality and in fact I think Kendricks is equally aggressive while also having a better feel in space. I don't think he's an obviously better athlete and there's a chance he tests out worse.

I just think he's more of a mid-2nd guy. And again, it may turn out that a mid-2nd round who fits our needs is the best we can do - it would just disappoint me if that's the case.

Lotta truth

My issue is once you get to 25 and later, I tho k the difference in a guy there and the mid 2nd is pretty much subjective opinion from each team.

If they think a guy would be there with one of their seconds sure. But if a guy is gonna go top of the 2nd that you really want just take him at 29

[O.city]

If he ends up being an Eric Kendricks type player there, wouldn't you be ok with that at 29?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

If he ends up being an Eric Kendricks type player there, wouldn't you be ok with that at 29?

Hey, you got something out before I finished my post again! Nicely done.

[O.city]

The issue is going to be his size. He's a little small. If he can make up with that with speed and instincts that would be awesome.

I will say i'd much rather a guy have speed and instincts than just size.

[O.city]

I'll admit i'm all about athletes in there now, I don't really care as much about size. Maybe we get gashed because of it, but i'm tired of lead footed reggie ragland

[kccrow]

Would much rather have Wilson, he's just a more aggressive, violent player, and he's a bit bigger to boot.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Would much rather have Wilson, he's just a more aggressive, violent player, and he's a bit bigger to boot.

I don’t see that at all. I’ve watched two games now of Wilson, most recently Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl, and he was passive as ****. Never really attacked and honestly appeared to be dogging it way more than I care to see.

It sucks because I want to like Wilson so bad. He’s a prototype for today’s ILB. But I seriously question his passion for the game based on what I’ve seen so far. He was just there for most of the snaps.

[BryanBusby]

He's not making it to 29, so nothing to discuss IMO