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Old 10-19-2019, 08:28 PM   #2
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Tough to watch as this was basically torture porn, all told from the perspective of Jesse. I hate that character....a complete ****up and coward. It was ultimate-cringe-inducing watching him broken and quivering. He had multiple opportunities to escape/take out his captors but was too cowardly to take them. As previously stated, I hate that character.

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All of that said, the writing, pacing, direction, acting, all excellent. It was definitely a solid entry by Vince Gilligan, which is not unexpected. You know you are super talented when you can make a program about a despicable useless character and still not only hold your audience, but truly entertain and do so in a smart, impressive fashion.
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That's the genius of Gilligan...he can take piece of shit and make probably more than half of fans root for him as their favorite character. Besides, rooting for bad guys is fun.
I think you guys missed some of the nuance laid in on Jesses character. He got manipulated by well everyone. And generally he was a soft soul. There are a bunch of examples. He had a soft spot for kids and even that big scene was a callback to an earlier scene.

I think the objective Gillian wrote with was he was a generally good person that went down a bad road. Whereas Walt was a generally bad person that went down a good road until he broke bad. There is an interesting dichotomy there.

Moreover it is a reflection of real life. Virtually no one is always good and chooses the right thing.
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Old 10-19-2019, 08:52 PM   #3
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I think you guys missed some of the nuance laid in on Jesses character. He got manipulated by well everyone. And generally he was a soft soul. There are a bunch of examples. He had a soft spot for kids and even that big scene was a callback to an earlier scene.

I think the objective Gillian wrote with was he was a generally good person that went down a bad road. Whereas Walt was a generally bad person that went down a good road until he broke bad. There is an interesting dichotomy there.

Moreover it is a reflection of real life. Virtually no one is always good and chooses the right thing.
Jessie grieved over kids getting shot or hurt while Walt treated that as business decisions. Agreed, he wasn't perfect, but in a show where "heroes" did some really awful things Jessie is easily one of the more redeemable characters in the show.
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Old 10-19-2019, 11:19 PM   #4
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It was ok. You can tell it was made by tv people cause it dragged like ****ing hell. It should have been like one and a half ours or 1:45 instead of 2 hours. I wouldn't call it a bad movie but yeah, it was slow and boring. And Im a big fan of better call Saul so I'm used to slow but sheesh...

Fwiw, the first 30 or so minutes were great. Badger and skinny Pete killed it. Wish they would have stayed involved somehow.
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Old 10-20-2019, 08:59 AM   #5
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I don't know if you really can "root" for a BB character....they are all complex with positive and negative attributes. I gues Hank would be the closest to a hero archetype, but he is such a douchebag you really can't root for him.

I know I really could not stand Jesse from the beginning. He is a coward, a poser, and ****up. Just a complete shit show of a character, whose only real purpose/value was to introduce Walter into the seedy world of meth.

This again speaks volumes to the ability of Vince Gilligan. He wrote despicable characters yet made the show so goddamn engrossing and nearly perfect.
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Old 10-20-2019, 11:07 AM   #6
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I don't know if you really can "root" for a BB character....they are all complex with positive and negative attributes. I gues Hank would be the closest to a hero archetype, but he is such a douchebag you really can't root for him.

I know I really could not stand Jesse from the beginning. He is a coward, a poser, and ****up. Just a complete shit show of a character, whose only real purpose/value was to introduce Walter into the seedy world of meth.

This again speaks volumes to the ability of Vince Gilligan. He wrote despicable characters yet made the show so goddamn engrossing and nearly perfect.
I don't know if root is the right word but there were sympathetic characters with Jesse being the main one.
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Old 10-20-2019, 11:27 AM   #7
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I enjoyed it for what it was. It was a really good reminder just how much anxiety the original series was able to generate during episodes. As someone with misophonia, the throwback diner scene with Walt, and Jessie chewing and talking with his mouth full was excruciating to watch.
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Old 10-20-2019, 03:37 PM   #8
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I watched it last night and I thought it was HORRIBLE! This show just doesn't make for a slow movie. I just didn't see the point in making this film - other than knowing their fans would think this would be good.

Reasons this movie sucks:

1. Jessie/Paul just isn't a good enough actor to handle the load.
2. Jessie has to be the dumbest crook out there. How long does it take to get out of town?
3. Why pay a guy $250K to drive you to Alaska?
4. Are you serious this guy is not gonna let Jessie slide for the missing $1800 when he just handed him a sack full of cash?
5. Why does it take $125K to drive someone and get a passport? Mexicans pay less than $10K to their coyotes.
6. Why go take on 5 guys in a shootout when he had the upperhand on 2 earlier?
7. An old fashioned high noon shootout? Really?

Movie sucked.
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Old 10-20-2019, 10:14 PM   #9
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I watched it last night and I thought it was HORRIBLE! This show just doesn't make for a slow movie. I just didn't see the point in making this film - other than knowing their fans would think this would be good.

Reasons this movie sucks:

1. Jessie/Paul just isn't a good enough actor to handle the load.
2. Jessie has to be the dumbest crook out there. How long does it take to get out of town?
3. Why pay a guy $250K to drive you to Alaska?
4. Are you serious this guy is not gonna let Jessie slide for the missing $1800 when he just handed him a sack full of cash?
5. Why does it take $125K to drive someone and get a passport? Mexicans pay less than $10K to their coyotes.
6. Why go take on 5 guys in a shootout when he had the upperhand on 2 earlier?
7. An old fashioned high noon shootout? Really?

Movie sucked.
I'm pretty sure that guy gives you an entirely brand new identity so I see why that costs so much.


But it also creates the plot hole of if he has a brand new identity, why does he need to be smuggled in a secret compartment in a moving truck?

And the shootout scene nearly was one of the stupidest movie scenes I've seen the last few years.
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Old 10-21-2019, 07:02 AM   #10
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I'm pretty sure that guy gives you an entirely brand new identity so I see why that costs so much.


But it also creates the plot hole of if he has a brand new identity, why does he need to be snuggled in a secret compartment in a moving truck?

And the shootout scene nearly was one of the stupidest movie scenes I've seen the last few years.
The perfect ending:

Jesse: Yo, man, like why the F did you make me ride in a UHaul?

Robert: Because you're a bitch, bitch.

/quick cut to credits. chorus of that old Ben Folds song plays quietly.

"Give me my money back
Give me my money back
You... bitch"
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Old 11-12-2019, 07:10 PM   #11
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I watched it last night and I thought it was HORRIBLE! This show just doesn't make for a slow movie. I just didn't see the point in making this film - other than knowing their fans would think this would be good.

Reasons this movie sucks:

1. Jessie/Paul just isn't a good enough actor to handle the load.
2. Jessie has to be the dumbest crook out there. How long does it take to get out of town?
3. Why pay a guy $250K to drive you to Alaska?
4. Are you serious this guy is not gonna let Jessie slide for the missing $1800 when he just handed him a sack full of cash?
5. Why does it take $125K to drive someone and get a passport? Mexicans pay less than $10K to their coyotes.
6. Why go take on 5 guys in a shootout when he had the upperhand on 2 earlier?
7. An old fashioned high noon shootout? Really?

Movie sucked.
I watched it last weekend, and I completely agree. I thought it was just about the slowest and most boring piece of shit I've seen in years. I'm glad to see someone else thinks the same thing.

Maybe my problem was that I decided to re-watch the last season of Breaking Bad before watching El Camino. As I was re-watching Breaking Bad, I kept saying over and over "I forgot how great this show really is!!".

Then I watched El Camino, and it literally put me to sleep. After the first hour, I was exhausted and went to bed. I had to finish watching it the following night.

It was slow and pointless. The last scene of Breaking Bad where Jesse drove off into the sunset was a thousand times better than this. Vince Gilligan should have left it at that.

El Camino was exactly like Season 8 of Game of Thrones: a total letdown.
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Decent. Was worth the 2 hours.
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