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Old 03-28-2019, 08:06 AM  
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Get the offseason thread out of here. It's on!

Opening day roster:

Catchers (2): Cam Gallagher, Martin Maldonado

Infielders (7): Hunter Dozier, Lucas Duda, Whit Merrifield, Adalberto Mondesi, Ryan O’Hearn, Chris Owings, Frank Schwindel

Outfielders (4): Alex Gordon, Terrance Gore, Billy Hamilton, Jorge Soler

Starting pitchers (3): Jakob Junis, Brad Keller, Jorge Lopez

Relief pitchers (9): Scott Barlow, Brad Boxberger, Jake Diekman, Chris Ellis, Tim Hill, Ian Kennedy, Kevin McCarthy, Wily Peralta, Kyle Zimmer

Injured list: Danny Duffy, Brian Flynn, Jesse Hahn, Salvador Perez

Suspended: Eric Skoglund
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Old 05-17-2019, 08:11 PM   #1471
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Gordon has a$4 million sunk cost in the form of his player option.

If they can work out a reasonable deal over 1-2 years, there’s value in bringing back both on-field and off.

Something like extending the contract to buy out the mutual option and make it a 2-year, $20 million deal (which is $8 million/year in new money) would work well on both ends.
I'm not against bringing him back at the right price w/maybe some incentives, but what about a 36 yr-old who absolutely sucked offensively 3 of the last 4 years justifies $8M/yr?

And don't say respect/goodwill/fans like him/2015 HR...those are the reasons he would be getting ANY contract at all.
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Old 05-17-2019, 08:33 PM   #1472
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I'm not against bringing him back at the right price w/maybe some incentives, but what about a 36 yr-old who absolutely sucked offensively 3 of the last 4 years justifies $8M/yr?

And don't say respect/goodwill/fans like him/2015 HR...those are the reasons he would be getting ANY contract at all.

8 million a year doesnt buy shit these dsys. Billy ****ing Hamilton got a 1 year 5-6 million dollar deal.
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Old 05-17-2019, 08:35 PM   #1473
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And Keller walks the leadoff batter.

A trip to Omaha needs to be in the cards....
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Old 05-17-2019, 08:44 PM   #1474
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Old 05-17-2019, 08:44 PM   #1475
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8 million a year doesnt buy shit these dsys. Billy ****ing Hamilton got a 1 year 5-6 million dollar deal.
And that was dumb, too.
How many 36 year olds with 3 shitty seasons of their last 4 get $16M over two years?
8M/yr is about what Moustakas got and he's 6 years younger.
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Old 05-17-2019, 09:15 PM   #1476
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And that was dumb, too.

How many 36 year olds with 3 shitty seasons of their last 4 get $16M over two years?

8M/yr is about what Moustakas got and he's 6 years younger.

He also wasn’t coming off a 6+ win season, which is what Gordon is on pace for. And he got $13 million guaranteed on a one-year deal IIRC ($10 million base with $3 million buyout).

I have given up on trying to predict the free agent market, not that it really applies to Gordon. He won’t be testing it.

But Nick Markakis, at 35, got a $6 million guarantee coming off a season much less valuable than Gordon’s current pace.
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Old 05-17-2019, 09:25 PM   #1477
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The Wilmington Blue Rocks currently have the worst offense that the Carolina League has seen since 2016, and probably much longer than that. Team OPS of .601 and averaging just 3.45 runs per game.

Yet they have the second best record in the league. That pitching staff.

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Old 05-17-2019, 09:44 PM   #1478
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He also wasn’t coming off a 6+ win season, which is what Gordon is on pace for. And he got $13 million guaranteed on a one-year deal IIRC ($10 million base with $3 million buyout).

I have given up on trying to predict the free agent market, not that it really applies to Gordon. He won’t be testing it.

But Nick Markakis, at 35, got a $6 million guarantee coming off a season much less valuable than Gordon’s current pace.
C'mon...Even IF Gordon keeps up his 6 WAR pace no one is going to offer him a contract that reflects a "6 win" player.

Markakis has been solid offensively for years, including last year when he had a .800+ OPS and won a Gold Glove. He's getting $6 - 10M total for this year and next. That's about what Alex should get, but like you said, hard to predict these things now.

Looks like Moose is making $7M this year, 11M mutual option next yr, w/ $3M buyout.
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Old 05-17-2019, 10:13 PM   #1479
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Old 05-17-2019, 10:32 PM   #1480
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Why does Ned have this never ending need to make sure he gets the worst players in the majors at-bats?
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Old 05-17-2019, 10:33 PM   #1481
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Yes, it's because he's an incompetent idiot.
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Old 05-17-2019, 11:40 PM   #1482
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Old 05-18-2019, 05:31 AM   #1483
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C'mon...Even IF Gordon keeps up his 6 WAR pace no one is going to offer him a contract that reflects a "6 win" player.



Markakis has been solid offensively for years, including last year when he had a .800+ OPS and won a Gold Glove. He's getting $6 - 10M total for this year and next. That's about what Alex should get, but like you said, hard to predict these things now.



Looks like Moose is making $7M this year, 11M mutual option next yr, w/ $3M buyout.

I’m not saying pay him like a 6-win guy.

Markakis is probably the best comparison due to age and being on the market last offseason. Markakis totaled 4 wins in the 3 seasons before his walk year, when he put up 2.6. He cashed that in for a $6 million guarantee that maxes out at $5 million/year over two years.

Gordon totaled 3.4 wins in the 3 seasons before this one, with his end season TBD. A lot will depend on how his offense holds up over the rest of the season.

I used Markakis as a base for my guess at what a Gordon extension might look like and tried to account for his history with the team and the $4 million guarantee.
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Old 05-18-2019, 07:45 AM   #1484
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Congrats, guys! 4 runs in three games. Exciting stuff!
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Old 05-18-2019, 08:18 AM   #1485
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Congrats, guys! 4 runs in three games. Exciting stuff!
Top of the line up still getting hits too for the most part though. When you send Gutierrez down to the minors so you can play Chris Owings. This is what you get.

Not only do we play Chris Owings, we even have him pitch now lol
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