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Old 10-26-2020, 05:02 PM   #2
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Brady went to a team with tons of weapons and a good to great defense. I wouldn't write belichek out for one down year. If he still is doing poorly the next two seasons then I'll agree it was brady.

Also he had the most key players opt out due to covid of any team
Brady went to a team that hasn't been above .500 since 2016 and, prior to that, hadn't been above .500 since 2010.
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Old 10-26-2020, 07:00 PM   #3
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Brady went to a team that hasn't been above .500 since 2016 and, prior to that, hadn't been above .500 since 2010.
So because they were under .500 (7-9 mind you) Chris godwin and Mike Evans aren't great wrs? Barrett, jpp. Vea, suh aren't good players because the team finished a game below. 500?
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Old 10-26-2020, 07:10 PM   #4
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So because they were under .500 (7-9 mind you) Chris godwin and Mike Evans aren't great wrs? Barrett, jpp. Vea, suh aren't good players because the team finished a game below. 500?
Well, you aren't committing 40 turnovers with Brady. Talent means jack shit with poor execution
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Old 10-26-2020, 07:56 PM   #5
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So because they were under .500 (7-9 mind you) Chris godwin and Mike Evans aren't great wrs? Barrett, jpp. Vea, suh aren't good players because the team finished a game below. 500?
QB is by far the most important position on the field and it's not even close.
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Old 10-26-2020, 07:59 PM   #6
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QB is by far the most important position on the field and it's not even close.
They should take it out of his hands and run it more

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Old 10-26-2020, 08:15 PM   #7
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Well, you aren't committing 40 turnovers with Brady. Talent means jack shit with poor execution
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QB is by far the most important position on the field and it's not even close.
I'm just responding to posts. Presenting the ignored aspect in previous posts. JPB was phrasing his post as if Brady chose a shit team that had little talent and has single handedly turned it around when in fact most of the pieces were in place. Brady > winston. No doubt. But that doesn't mean much when Bridgewater > winston.
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So because they were under .500 (7-9 mind you) Chris godwin and Mike Evans aren't great wrs? Barrett, jpp. Vea, suh aren't good players because the team finished a game below. 500?
^ This. They finished 7-9 IN SPITE of Winston's 30 INTs. If he threw half as many as he did they are at worst a 10-6 team more likely a 11-5 or 12-4 and making the playoffs. To think their success is all Brady and they are somehow devoid of talent is ridiculous. He has made them better no doubt but they weren't scrubs before.
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Old 10-31-2020, 04:58 PM   #9
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So because they were under .500 (7-9 mind you) Chris godwin and Mike Evans aren't great wrs? Barrett, jpp. Vea, suh aren't good players because the team finished a game below. 500?
They weren't good enough to get the team above .500 with Jameis Winston. QBs matter. The Patriots are getting a stark reminder of that fact.
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Old 10-26-2020, 08:29 AM   #10
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Old 10-26-2020, 08:57 AM   #11
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Again, just so it's clear:

QB's are the cake. Coaches are the frosting.

QB's are the ribs. Coaches are the BBQ sauce.

To be GREAT, you have to have both.

But both the cake and ribs can be good without frosting or sauce. Without the cake or ribs, the frosting and sauce are virtually useless.
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Old 10-26-2020, 11:42 AM   #12
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Again, just so it's clear:

QB's are the cake. Coaches are the frosting.

QB's are the ribs. Coaches are the BBQ sauce.

To be GREAT, you have to have both.

But both the cake and ribs can be good without frosting or sauce. Without the cake or ribs, the frosting and sauce are virtually useless.
Mostly agree, but in the case of Andy Reid you can be very successful without the HOF QB.

Nobody would put McNabb in the HOF and Andy took that QB and team to 5 NFC championship games and a SB, losing to the best dynasty in history.

It’s possible to win without the elite QB but it’s really damn rare. Surprisingly the Ravens have done it twice.
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Old 10-26-2020, 12:36 PM   #13
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Mostly agree, but in the case of Andy Reid you can be very successful without the HOF QB.

Nobody would put McNabb in the HOF and Andy took that QB and team to 5 NFC championship games and a SB, losing to the best dynasty in history.

It’s possible to win without the elite QB but it’s really damn rare. Surprisingly the Ravens have done it twice.
Even if you're elite at QB it doesn't always work. Peyton Manning's a HOFer but his last season the Broncos won the Super Bowl while Manning threw 9 TD/17 INT. Just horrible. Even during his first SB run with the Colts he threw 3 TD/7 INT that postseason.

Guys like Roethlisberger and Russell Wilson went to their first Super Bowls on teams that were all about top rushing attacks and great defenses and ranked in the 31/32 range in pass attempts. Nothing like the gunslingers they are now.
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Mostly agree, but in the case of Andy Reid you can be very successful without the HOF QB.

Nobody would put McNabb in the HOF and Andy took that QB and team to 5 NFC championship games and a SB, losing to the best dynasty in history.

It’s possible to win without the elite QB but it’s really damn rare. Surprisingly the Ravens have done it twice.
It's not about "being successful".

It's about winning championships.

Bill, just like Andy, can field a good team without a HOF QB. Neither of them win a Super Bowl without a HOF QB.
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It's not about "being successful".

It's about winning championships.

Bill, just like Andy, can field a good team without a HOF QB. Neither of them win a Super Bowl without a HOF QB.
He had one winning season with Cassel and a loaded team and one winning season in Cleveland. 5 losing seasons and he's on his way to another.
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