***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by O.city

Did someone post something about the number of deaths in New York nursing homes is like 12k? How the **** did we let that happen. ?

Well have you ever seen the typical nursing home CNA or just about any other nursing home employee? A lot of them don't give a shit about the residents and just work there because its an easy job to get or its the only option for them.

Nursing homes are awful places for the most part and I think the main reason is the pay is incredibly low for the workers on the bottom of the totem pole and those are the workers that are most involved in the care of the residents. Why would anyone want to wipe ass, get hit, groped, or give some old pervert a bath for just over minimum wage? Anyone with any options at all will take the other options over the nursing home, so the nursing home gets stuck with a lot of drug addicts.

[TLO]

More Triumph news.

(ST. JOSEPH, Mo.) The Missouri Department of Health and Senior Services reported on Saturday that 359 employees have now tested positive for COVID-19 at Triumph Foods.

MDHSS said none of the employees or contract workers had symptoms.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by O.city

Did someone post something about the number of deaths in New York nursing homes is like 12k? How the **** did we let that happen. ?

If "we" did "let it happen", it's more than likely because "we" never really looked into what exactly goes on in nursing homes as far as how they're staffed and managed, and what kind of "care" the people in them are truly receiving.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Spott

My Mom died at 50 after dealing with lung cancer for 5 years (she was a smoker). Although she literally had tumors everywhere at the end and had no other health problems besides that, cancer was not listed as a cause of death on her DC.

It should have , not all doctors are created equal. my mom died from lung/ca bone mets they were all listed.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Spott

My Mom died at 50 after dealing with lung cancer for 5 years (she was a smoker). Although she literally had tumors everywhere at the end and had no other health problems besides that, cancer was not listed as a cause of death on her DC.

What did they list her C.O.D as?

[Spott]

Originally Posted by Monticore

You said we never used to list a cause of death .
I said we have always listed a cause of death.
Then said pretty much said the same thing I said.

I did not say never in my post. I said that we used to refer to people dying at 95 as dying of old age. By we, I am referring to the general public and not the specific terms written on a death certificate by a doctor that most people never see.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

If "we" did "let it happen", it's more than likely because "we" never really looked into what exactly goes on in nursing homes as far as how they're staffed and managed, and what kind of "care" the people in them are truly receiving.

The nursing homes tend to be under staffed and underequipped where I live to deal with something like this.

The nursing staff are not always as well trained either and being private entities cost cutting can be an issue.

[KCUnited]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

If "we" did "let it happen", it's more than likely because "we" never really looked into what exactly goes on in nursing homes as far as how they're staffed and managed, and what kind of "care" the people in them are truly receiving.

[LiveSteam]

Originally Posted by TLO

More Triumph news.

You need to test positive with no symptoms to be allowed back into the Processing Plant ?

Our food chain cant fail. That's not an option.
I watched a story out east. Where around 50 peeps locked themselves down inside their little factory for 60 days IIRC? To keep making needed medical supplies.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

If "we" did "let it happen", it's more than likely because "we" never really looked into what exactly goes on in nursing homes as far as how they're staffed and managed, and what kind of "care" the people in them are truly receiving.

I know of a few cases here in our area that had positive test results that were then sent back to long term health care facilities. We knew this was not great for those in those situations, i'm not sure why we didn't take extra care.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Spott

I did not say never in my post. I said that we used to refer to people dying at 95 as dying of old age. By we, I am referring to the general public and not the specific terms written on a death certificate by a doctor that most people never see.

You were doing it for the purpose of minimizing the death count, sorry that's why I commented.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

If "we" did "let it happen", it's more than likely because "we" never really looked into what exactly goes on in nursing homes as far as how they're staffed and managed, and what kind of "care" the people in them are truly receiving.

via GIPHY

[O.city]

Originally Posted by TLO

More Triumph news.

Wow.

If we're gonna do contract tracing, you're essentially gonna have to test every single person in the nation.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by O.city

So if i'm reading this right, about 25%-30% of US Covid deaths are happening in nursing homes. That's just awful.

It is awful and truly heart breaking. It also is a good example among others why it is going to be hard for corporate America to go back to work anytime soon.

We have seen now time and time again, keeping large amounts of people in an enclosed space for hours on end = large amounts of infections and death.

Going to a restaurant or store for a short period of time you will probably be ok but not sitting in your office for 8 hours.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by O.city

I know of a few cases here in our area that had positive test results that were then sent back to long term health care facilities. We knew this was not great for those in those situations, i'm not sure why we didn't take extra care.

If we had an outbreak in our local home I would recommend taking their loved ones out if they could care for them at home.