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Old 12-28-2020, 10:19 PM   #2
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I liked the Amazon opening, the only question I had is that in first movie she told the Aunt, to not train her, then in the first movie she chastises her for training her when she's around 14ish years old, which in the opening scene of the second one she's around 10ish years old and knows how to ride a horse, do a crazy obstacle course, and fire a bow with deadly precision and the Mom just comes up at the end and says "Stay truthful, the world is not ready for your truth." or some gibberish like that. So I don't get why she's okay with the training there and not in the first movie when she's four years older. Some inconsistencies with this movie for sure.
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Old 12-29-2020, 10:13 AM   #3
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Well....

It was better than I expected after what I read here...I guess? It did some things right (which I was not expecting), but it missed on far more. So all put together, it was pretty well a shitshow rodeo.

Gadot and Pine really did a nice job. They really did. The way I saw it was the problems they had were script/direction problems. I'll go to bat for their performances. Pascal I think is in a similar position, but his character was so over the top cheese that it would have been a tough sell for anyone. Wiig, I thought did pretty well before she broke bad. She does a pretty good every woman kind of thing. She was a horribad bad ass. I'm open to being wrong there, I don't like Wiig at all, but trying to be fair.

The action sequences were straight terrible. Was that a COVID thing? In the first WW, I didn't really like the end fight with Ares, but the CGI was solid. The rest of the action, especially the WWI stuff was ****ing awesome. All the action in this one was bad enough it took me out of it. Every ****ing scene - Buehler445 is out. A few of those scenes should be career enders.

The story was convoluted as ****. I didn't necessarily hate how she got it done right at the end, but there were such massive plot holes it was a ****ing joke.

Regarding the amazon scene, it was way, way too long. And like Gravedigger said, there were contradictions with the other one. All they needed to do was show her training with Robin Wright for 90 seconds, say the line they're after and GTFO. Plus, again, the graphics and stunts were bad. They'd pull off a move that looked good and then the next 30 seconds would be absolute late 90s cheese. Plus, they tried, but they couldn't hide how much faster the adult women were moving than young Diana, then cut scene and the chicks that started 10 yards behind her in the water are now 75 yards back 200 yards in. Just cut the shit. Just train with Robin Wright with her mom looking on, you don't need the child actor and save several minutes.

It's 150 (!) minutes long. Obviously too much. So my mind wandered pretty bad in a lot of places, and I found myself walking through the not-as-good Marvel movies. You know, Thor 2, Iron Man 2 and 3, etc. Man, they've got some problems, but they're still passable as a movie. And this one had some of the same elements that if you took some scenes out of the context of the movie, they're on par with some of the Marvel stuff. But it's so ****ed compared to the WORST of what Marvel put out and (fair or not) was panned. The end result of the line of thought was a re-iteration from another perspective of how just goddamned special what Feige pulled off. WB can't get to 2 movies and 2 cameos without ****ing it up something terrible. The Marvel stuff is super special.

So, yeah. Shitshow Rodeo. And it's unfortunate. WW was ****ing excellent and has aged well. And the hell of it is that Gadot and Pine don't deserve it. They brought it, and what a ****ing joke it turned out to be.

tl;dr Shitshow Rodeo except Gadot and Pine.
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Old 12-29-2020, 12:10 PM   #4
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Yea. Pedro Pascals performance was odd. Not sure why they couldn’t just play a straight villain?

And Wiigs good girl Barbera was basically doing her SNL schtick.
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Old 12-29-2020, 01:52 PM   #5
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Yea. Pedro Pascals performance was odd. Not sure why they couldn’t just play a straight villain?

And Wiigs good girl Barbera was basically doing her SNL schtick.
And every character she’s ever played. Looks like her acting range goes from here >< to here.
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Old 12-29-2020, 02:08 PM   #6
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I liked the Amazon opening, the only question I had is that in first movie she told the Aunt, to not train her, then in the first movie she chastises her for training her when she's around 14ish years old, which in the opening scene of the second one she's around 10ish years old and knows how to ride a horse, do a crazy obstacle course, and fire a bow with deadly precision and the Mom just comes up at the end and says "Stay truthful, the world is not ready for your truth." or some gibberish like that. So I don't get why she's okay with the training there and not in the first movie when she's four years older. Some inconsistencies with this movie for sure.
I had forgotten about the training stuff. Plus the damn flying shit! Someone else said she appeared to be flying in the first. I'm not gonna go back and watch the first, but she definitely learned to fly at the end of the first movie, right!?! Am I completely remembering wrong?
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Old 12-29-2020, 02:11 PM   #7
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I had forgotten about the training stuff. Plus the damn flying shit! Someone else said she appeared to be flying in the first. I'm not gonna go back and watch the first, but she definitely learned to fly at the end of the first movie, right!?! Am I completely remembering wrong?
It was kind of a slo mo take off thing. I guess they could just justify it as a big jump. But yeah.

And that’s not a HUGE continuity issue in and of itself. She’d have learned to fly before any of the current movies so she could have definitely flew at the end of WW.

Where it gets dumb is she was in 4 movies and only MAYBE flew once.

I’d ****ing fly everywhere if I could.
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Old 12-29-2020, 12:42 PM   #8
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Pedro Pascal was my favorite part of the movie.
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Old 12-29-2020, 02:54 PM   #9
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If Wonder Woman can fly, why does she need the Invisible Jet?

She can just render herself invisible and fly wherever she wants.

These movies get even dumber when trying to analyze them for consistency.
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Old 12-29-2020, 03:02 PM   #10
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If Wonder Woman can fly, why does she need the Invisible Jet?

She can just render herself invisible and fly wherever she wants.

These movies get even dumber when trying to analyze them for consistency.
Yes.. and Trever can fly a jet after flying a WWI Biplane.. Totally the same technology... This movie was so dumb...
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Old 12-29-2020, 03:03 PM   #11
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Yes.. and Trever can fly a jet after flying a WWI Biplane.. Totally the same technology... This movie was so dumb...
Really? Sounds like Battlefield Earth.
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Old 12-30-2020, 09:40 AM   #12
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If Wonder Woman can fly, why does she need the Invisible Jet?

She can just render herself invisible and fly wherever she wants.

These movies get even dumber when trying to analyze them for consistency.
Yeah, that scene was really dumb. I figured they just wanted to throw in the homage to her invisible jet. I'm a fan of comic book Easter egg type shit so it wasn't horrible.

But to answer your original question, I'm not sure she was originally able to fly so needing the jet made sense.
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Old 12-29-2020, 03:36 PM   #13
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It wasn't Battlefield Earth bad. Not even close. That there is some rarified air.

I'd say it falls somewhere between Superman 3 and The Quest for Peace.

High praise, I know.
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Old 12-29-2020, 04:55 PM   #14
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It wasn't Battlefield Earth bad. Not even close. That there is some rarified air.

I'd say it falls somewhere between Superman 3 and The Quest for Peace.

High praise, I know.
The worst part is that I don't know if Jenkins was trying to be schlocky or if it just came off as schlocky.

Either way, it was garbage.

I've never seen Battlefield Earth so I can't compare but I can't imagine another $200 million dollar movie being as bad as this film because it doesn't even follow its own rules set forth in the original.

"Mess" doesn't even come close to describing it.
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Old 12-29-2020, 05:06 PM   #15
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It wasn't Battlefield Earth bad. Not even close. That there is some rarified air.

I'd say it falls somewhere between Superman 3 and The Quest for Peace.

High praise, I know.
I've avoided Battlefield Earth the movie because I was a ridiculous level of fan of the book. . . . Like, 'best I read since Dune' fan.

It's schlocky and pulpy, but it's also breezy and entertaining. I mean it's nearly 1,000 pages and I read it in under a week.

Kind of curious from time to time what exactly makes the movie SO bad, but not curious enough to find out.
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