Potential 1st round Targets

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yeah - ultimately my hope is that a little extra depth at the 'top end' of the OT class along with maybe a little more depth at the top end of QB and WR pushes that dividing line down a little more than usual.

If there are 10 blue chippers when there are ordinarily only 5 and there's a lot of depth at other key positions of need, that line could get pushed so that someone like Harrison (who actually sucked last season) goes at 32 instead of 28.

And you hope you hit rather than have him struggle all season like Anton did.

I do think that Guyton has a better tool set than Harrison did, FYI. And he's similarly 'ranked' within this OT class. So I don't think it's beyond consideration that he may slide just a little further than Harrison despite being a little better prospect.

I think Guyton gets to trade up range, but he won't fall to 32.

If we're counting on a LT falling into our lap, it's Kingsley.

Even he might require a small trade up in front of the 49ers (which would be hilarious).

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I think Guyton gets to trade up range, but he won't fall to 32.

If we're counting on a LT falling into our lap, it's Kingsley.

Even he might require a small trade up in front of the 49ers (which would be hilarious).

I just don’t think we have the ammo for a trade up

[Oxford]

Originally Posted by O.city

I just don’t think we have the ammo for a trade up

That's the problem. How to allocate 5 draft picks? If you look at Donovan Smiths performance, its unreasonable to think that he will be better next year, at best the same. Wanya Morris has upside and is signed. You can't get out of JaWaan Taylor's deal until 2025 and is he as good as what you might find in FA for LT/RT? If the tackles fall down the board this may change, but I'm thinking a developmental OT in 3 or 4. Knowing Veach he's prombably looking in the 1AA area for a sleeper

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

I just don’t think we have the ammo for a trade up

We're talking about trading up 2-3 spots.

They could use a pick next year to do that. If you think Kingsley is the long term answer at LT, you do it without hesitation.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by O.city

I just don’t think we have the ammo for a trade up

There is always ammo. If you have a guy that falls to 15-16 in the draft that you feel is a franchise LT and a team is willing to take your first this year and next, then you go get that player IMO. I have no issues with spending 2 low firsts on pillar positions.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by kccrow

There is always ammo. If you have a guy that falls to 15-16 in the draft that you feel is a franchise LT and a team is willing to take your first this year and next, then you go get that player IMO. I have no issues with spending 2 low firsts on pillar positions.

I think you and I danced around a similar analysis at LT last season. You got to "Mid 20s is the latest you can find starters" and I think I got to "10 is about as late as you're likely to find SAFE starters..."

I hated the idea of a trade up to 16. I didn't see a notable drop-off from about 10 to 40.

I just can't see myself being willing to use two 1st round picks on the 4th best OT in this class and that's likely what you're looking at in the mid-1st, no? Alt? Sure. Fashanu, yup. But man, then you're looking at probably Latham and Fuaga, right? Am I happy giving up 2 first rounders for either of those? Certainly not Latham (don't think he has the feet for this system). Maybe Fuaga. If I were pretty confident that Mims could make the transition to LT maybe, but that's still a little scary given his inexperience. And then you're in the Fautanu/Guyton range and there's no way I'm giving up that much for those guys.

I'd have to sell myself on Latham's feet, Fuaga's length or Mim's inexperience and man that's a tough sell for that kind of draft capital.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I think you and I danced around a similar analysis at LT last season. You got to "Mid 20s is the latest you can find starters" and I think I got to "10 is about as late as you're likely to find SAFE starters..."

I hated the idea of a trade up to 16. I didn't see a notable drop-off from about 10 to 40.

I just can't see myself being willing to use two 1st round picks on the 4th best OT in this class and that's likely what you're looking at in the mid-1st, no? Alt? Sure. Fashanu, yup. But man, then you're looking at probably Latham and Fuaga, right? Am I happy giving up 2 first rounders for either of those? Certainly not Latham (don't think he has the feet for this system). Maybe Fuaga. If I were pretty confident that Mims could make the transition to LT maybe, but that's still a little scary given his inexperience. And then you're in the Fautanu/Guyton range and there's no way I'm giving up that much for those guys.

I'd have to sell myself on Latham's feet, Fuaga's length or Mim's inexperience and man that's a tough sell for that kind of draft capital.

Latham is a pure RT. so no. Fuaga is also a RT. No. Mims is just raw clay. No, I wouldn't go that high for him. I like Guyton in a move to LT and far more than most. I might go get him. A little left to be answered there yet for me. I definitely don't think he's near there for us though, its more a question of going up that high for him. Suamataia I'd go up a bit for him maybe to 22. He isn't there when we pick IMO. I'm working on my 2.0 mock, so you'll get a projection of where I'm feeling things right now.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Latham is a pure RT. so no. Fuaga is also a RT. No. Mims is just raw clay. No, I wouldn't go that high for him. I like Guyton in a move to LT and far more than most. I might go get him. A little left to be answered there yet for me. I definitely don't think he's near there for us though, its more a question of going up that high for him. Suamataia I'd go up a bit for him maybe to 22. He isn't there when we pick IMO. I'm working on my 2.0 mock, so you'll get a projection of where I'm feeling things right now.

Wow.

No way. I'm just not that hard up for a guy like Suamataia. Again, now we're at like the 6th best OT.

I'll spin the wheel and take my chances. Because if OTs get blasted like that, someone else is going to slide. 30 guys can't go top 20.