***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

I’d prefer not to deal with the lunacy of shopping etc that I’m reading about in Italy (no bread, supermarkets closing, lines extending outside stores, etc).

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I get that, but if we're to that point, 2 weeks isn't going to cut it.

I'm stocked for 2 weeks.

1) I don't need to fight the masses if panic sets in. I can wait at home until it's over.
2) if l need to go get more stuff after a couple weeks, it is one public exposure instead of 6.
3) if supply chains are seriously disrupted for more than two weeks, we're all screwed.

It is worth doing for 1 and 2 even though 2 weeks supply doesn't help with 3.

[Hammock Parties]

Here's one thing I haven't seen discussed.

If this gets really really bad, and people decide to flee urban areas, what are the logistics of that?

Will it be possible only up to a certain point?

The last thing I want is to get stuck in the middle of mass hysteria and gridlock on 71 highway.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by cdcox

I'm stocked for 2 weeks.

1) I don't need to fight the masses if panic sets in. I can wait at home until it's over.
2) if l need to go get more stuff after a couple weeks, it is one public exposure instead of 6.
3) if supply chains are seriously disrupted for more than two weeks, we're all screwed.

It is worth doing for 1 and 2 even though 2 weeks supply doesn't help with 3.

That’s where I am with this whole thing.

At best, it’s food I’m going to end up eating anyway - so what’s the harm?

At worst, I can hole in my house for three-four weeks (counting the food I already had) and hope it blows over. If not? Well, as you said, we’re screwed anyway.

My survivalist friends are doing the MRE-emergency water thing. I guess if panic sets in I can try to get one of those things ordered - but I don’t see it happening to that extreme. People will always have irrational fears of the unknown. At the moment I’m preparing more for the hysteria of others than the sickness that’s driving that hysteria. Seeing that sort of panic grip other countries was why I wanted to stock up a bit more than usual.

[LiveSteam]

Where you gonna go?

[Donger]

Here's a good website for global status and updates:

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashb...23467b48e9ecf6

[Donger]

Originally Posted by cdcox

I'm stocked for 2 weeks.

1) I don't need to fight the masses if panic sets in. I can wait at home until it's over.
2) if l need to go get more stuff after a couple weeks, it is one public exposure instead of 6.
3) if supply chains are seriously disrupted for more than two weeks, we're all screwed.

It is worth doing for 1 and 2 even though 2 weeks supply doesn't help with 3.

What about utilities?

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by LiveSteam

Where you gonna go?

We will make our last stand at the battle of Ruark Bluff

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by mlyonsd

According to Azar all the HHS employees involved the whistle blower complaint have been well over 14 days with no interaction with individuals and none became symptomatic or have the disease.

who knows if they are telling us the truth? The military finally came clean and told us the truth, it’s not going well in Afghanistan despite 18 years of military help. We will never be able to defeat the Tailban. No chance to have a stable government without our military help on the ground. 18 years of Presidents allowing the military to lie to the public when they knew better.

How we supposed to trust information when there is a personal benefit to withhold bad information and publicize information that works well for the current presidents own personal political benefit? The current president has taking lying to a whole new level.

As I said, every President lies to us. We accept this as part of the deal when it comes to health care or a wall etc. but, when it comes to a possible deadly pandemic, we have to trust what they are telling us. I’m not buying anything they tell us until I hear it from independent medical professionals.

[LiveSteam]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

We will make our last stand at the battle of Ruark Bluff

Get yourself set up to where you can lock yourself down and ride it out at home.
A simple case of Ramon Noodle can go a long way. In life or death struggle.
I still have shit from Y2K thats fine.. I made a box of beef jerking off last year that was bought in 99. Was fine. The packet of flavored powder had become a hard brick.
Ran over it with wooded rolling pin. Cooked it up and ate it.
Was fine.

[LiveSteam]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

who knows if they are telling us the truth? The military finally came clean and told us the truth, it’s not going well in Afghanistan despite 18 years of military help. We will never be able to defeat the Tailban. No chance to have a stable government without our military help in the ground. 18 years of Presidents allowing the military to lie to the public when they knew better.

How we supposed to trust information when there is a personal benefit to withhold bad information and publicize information that works well for the current presidents own personal political benefit? The current president has taking lying to a whole new level.

As I said, every President lies to us. We accept this as part of the deal when it comes to health care or a wall etc. but, when it comes to a possible deadly pandemic, we have to trust what they are telling us. I’m not buying anything they tell us until I hear it from independent medical professionals with non political axe to grind.

Just send Rhonda Rousey over there. You Nutter

[Hammock Parties]

As soon as the looting starts I'm outta here!

[wazu]

Originally Posted by Donger

Here's a good website for global status and updates:

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashb...23467b48e9ecf6

That's a great dashboard. Anybody else notice that the actual death rate appears to be about 6.5%?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by LiveSteam

I made a box of beef jerking off last year that was bought in 99. Was fine.

That's one hungry guy.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by wazu

That's a great dashboard. Anybody else notice that the actual death rate appears to be about 6.5%?

3.4%