Someone is going to get a steal w/ Omenihu

[ntexascardfan]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Not being in a 4-man front will pretty much be never with Spags unless he completely changed his scheme during his off year. He's about as straight forward as you get in terms of what he does with his d-line. The one thing Bryant does do well is drop back into space on zone-blitzes, something that Omenihu cannot provide. Spags runs more of that than he will an odd front.

If you don't think Omenihu can't drop back into zone you didn't watch much of his film.

Todd Orlando would often drop his DE's back into zones and bring LB's and safeties in on blitzes....it's actually a staple of his scheme.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by ntexascardfan

If you don't think Omenihu can't drop back into zone you didn't watch much of his film.

Todd Orlando would often drop his DE's back into zones and bring LB's and safeties in on blitzes....it's actually a staple of his scheme.

I'll watch a couple more games but if he looks as slow and prodding as he did in the other 5 I'm probably not much for being on board aside from maybe a 3rd round pick as a LDE where he can use his power to hold the edge much like Eric Hicks of old.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by ntexascardfan

If you don't think Omenihu can't drop back into zone you didn't watch much of his film.

Todd Orlando would often drop his DE's back into zones and bring LB's and safeties in on blitzes....it's actually a staple of his scheme.

I honestly don't give a shit if he can cover.

Omenihu is a big, strong, bull of a man. He's got great hands, good leverage, will be a bull against the run and still give you a plus pass rusher.

He moves very well for a man that size.

You could easily play him at either DE spot. He'd kill lined up next to Jones. Having that beef on the line would allow you to play D'OD at WLB easily.

[ntexascardfan]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I honestly don't give a shit if he can cover.

Omenihu is a big, strong, bull of a man. He's got great hands, good leverage, will be a bull against the run and still give you a plus pass rusher.

He moves very well for a man that size.

You could easily play him at either DE spot. He'd kill lined up next to Jones. Having that beef on the line would allow you to play D'OD at WLB easily.

I think the Alex Okafor signing signaled that Omenihu is the type of DE we will be searching for in the draft.

Omenihu adds an extra piece of flexibility where he can be moved inside on passing downs and help create an extra pass rush. You could have a front for of Okafor, Jones, Omenihu, Speaks on obvious passing downs and really create some challenges for an offensive line up front.

Omenihu doesn't have the bend Okafor has around the edge, but he has a more diverse set of pass rushing moves and better hands than Okafor.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by ntexascardfan

I think the Alex Okafor signing signaled that Omenihu is the type of DE we will be searching for in the draft.

Omenihu adds an extra piece of flexibility where he can be moved inside on passing downs and help create an extra pass rush. You could have a front for of Okafor, Jones, Omenihu, Speaks on obvious passing downs and really create some challenges for an offensive line up front.

Omenihu doesn't have the bend Okafor has around the edge, but he has a more diverse set of pass rushing moves and better hands than Okafor.

I don't think the 'bend' around the edge is as important anymore. Not if the good QB's are getting the ball out in less than 3 seconds.

Inside pressure, like Reid said, that's the new trend to counter the quick passing game. That and confusion with coverage looks.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I don't think the 'bend' around the edge is as important anymore. Not if the good QB's are getting the ball out in less than 3 seconds.

Inside pressure, like Reid said, that's the new trend to counter the quick passing game. That and confusion with coverage looks.

It's arguably more important. The ability for edge rushers to close that gap between the OT and the QB more quickly is the only way they are going to get pressure home. Sure, you have to be able to generate quick pressure up the middle, but you still need an edge rush that will force QBs into that inside pressure instead of having the ability to bail out of it. Guys with the athletic ability to do this are always going to be at a much higher premium than guys that can't and it's a big reason I see players like Omenihu being no more than 3rd round guys.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by kccrow

It's arguably more important. The ability for edge rushers to close that gap between the OT and the QB more quickly is the only way they are going to get pressure home. Sure, you have to be able to generate quick pressure up the middle, but you still need an edge rush that will force QBs into that inside pressure instead of having the ability to bail out of it. Guys with the athletic ability to do this are always going to be at a much higher premium than guys that can't and it's a big reason I see players like Omenihu being no more than 3rd round guys.

You don't need to have ideal bend to force QBs into pressure. You need it to be able to finish the play and record the sack yourself, but not to get to a spot that creates uncertainty for the QB in the pocket. Not everybody can flush backwards and save a play like Mahomes; most will simply move up if they feel those footsteps and Omenihu's ability to get a OT reacting at the snap will be sufficient to create that.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I don't think the 'bend' around the edge is as important anymore. Not if the good QB's are getting the ball out in less than 3 seconds.

Inside pressure, like Reid said, that's the new trend to counter the quick passing game. That and confusion with coverage looks.

Not as important as it used to be, no.

Which makes me not completely out on Ferguson either. I could probably talk myself into Ferguson in the 2nd if we haven't addressed DE already. I think Omenihu is far more polished and can contribute sooner, but Ferguson wouldn't be a bad fallback with perhaps a higher ceiling.