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**Saulbadguy** · 09-12-2011, 07:57 AM

The old one has AIDS.

Anyways, Chip Brown from Orangebloods.com reports OU may apply to the Pac-12 by the end of the month.

Oklahoma will apply for membership to the Pac-12 before the end of the month, and Oklahoma State is expected to follow suit, a source close to OU's administration told Orangebloods.com.

Even though Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said Friday the Pac-12 was not interested in expansion at this time, OU's board of regents is fed up with the instability in the Big 12, the source said.

The OU board of regents will meet within two weeks to formalize plans to apply for membership to the Pac-12, the source said.

Messages left Sunday night with OU athletic director Joe Castiglione and Oklahoma State athletic director Mike Holder were not immediately returned.

If OU follows through with what appears to be a unanimous sentiment on the seven-member Oklahoma board of regents to leave the Big 12, realignment in college athletics could be heating back up. OU's application would be matched by an application from Oklahoma State, the source said, even though OSU president Burns Hargis and mega-booster Boone Pickens both voiced their support for the Big 12 last Thursday.

There is differing sentiment about if the Pac-12 presidents and chancellors are ready to expand again after bringing in Colorado and Utah last year and landing $3 billion TV contracts from Fox and ESPN. Colorado president Bruce Benson told reporters last week CU would be opposed to any expansion that might bring about east and west divisions in the Pac-12.

Currently, there are north and south divisions in the Pac-12. If OU and OSU were to join, Larry Scott would have to get creative.

Scott's orginal plan last summer was to bring in Colorado, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and put them in an eastern division with Arizona and Arizona State. The old Pac-8 schools (USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State) were to be in the west division.

Colorado made the move in June 2010, but when Texas A&M was not on board to go west, the Big 12 came back together with the help of its television partners (ABC/ESPN and Fox).

If Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were accepted into the Pac-12, there would undoubtedly be a hope by Larry Scott that Texas would join the league. But Texas sources have indicated UT is determined to hang onto the Longhorn Network, which would not be permissible in the Pac-12 in its current form.

Texas sources continue to indicate to Orangebloods.com that if the Big 12 falls apart, the Longhorns would consider "all options."

Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe held an emergency conference call 10 days ago with league presidents excluding Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M and asked the other league presidents to "work on Texas" because Beebe didn't think the Pac-12 would take Oklahoma without Texas.

Now, it appears OU is willing to take its chances with the Pac-12 with or without Texas.

There seemed to be a temporary pause in any possible shifting of the college athletics' landscape when Baylor led a charge to tie up Texas A&M's move to the Southeastern Conference in legal red tape. BU refused to waive its right to sue the SEC over A&M's departure from the Big 12, and the SEC said it would not admit Texas A&M until it had been cleared of any potential lawsuits.

Baylor, Kansas and Iowa State have indicated they will not waive their right to sue the SEC.

It's unclear if an application by OU to the Pac-12 would draw the same threats of litigation against the Pac-12 from those Big 12 schools.

Stay tuned.

**Saul Good** · 09-26-2011, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ReeTodd_KC

This is what I want KU to do...

Why would you want that? Haven't you seen all of the assurances that staying in the Big XII and adding Haskell, Friends University, and Sedalia State Fair College is best for all schools involved?

**alnorth** · 09-26-2011, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

I don't think the Big 12 is in position to bargain hard at the negotiation table right now for big new tier 1 and 2 deals.

Their massive Tier 2 deal with Fox says you are wrong.

KChiefs1 · 09-26-2011, 11:44 AM

TCU > Louisville
TCU > BYU
TCU > Air Force
TCU > West Virginia

Pants · 09-26-2011, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

Why would you want that? Haven't you seen all of the assurances that staying in the Big XII and adding Haskell, Friends University, and Sedalia State Fair College is best for all schools involved?

If it came down to signing all the schools' rights off to the Big12, I'd rather KU stay than go to any conference with the exception of the Big10. I don't identify with the culture of the SEC fan and would not want my school associated with it. I love the PAC-12 schools, but the geography is shitty as hell.

ChiefsCountry · 09-26-2011, 11:44 AM

On the brightside a Big 12 North adding Louisville and Cincinnati would mean Mizzou could pretty much pencil in a trip to Dallas each year for the Big 12 Championship. Not to mention with Pinkel's ties to Ohio, could open a pipeline to Mizzou by playing in Cincinnati every other year.

DJ's left nut · 09-26-2011, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

I don't think adding 1-2 to get back to 10 is conference suicide if all the schools pledge their media rights as has been suggested. Adding schools to get back to 12 decreases each school's slice of the TV revenue, and I don't think the Big 12 is in position to bargain hard at the negotiation table right now for big new tier 1 and 2 deals.

Oh sure, it keeps the XII alive...for now.

But it's still just putting the conference on life dialysis rather than getting it a new kidney.

**DaKCMan AP** · 09-26-2011, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1

TCU > Louisville
TCU > BYU
TCU > Air Force
TCU > West Virginia

Reasoning?

ChiefsCountry · 09-26-2011, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Adds more than Louisville, IMO.

I think they could do an okay job salvaging this if they went with TCU, Air Force and BYU, but they won't. They're dragging their feet and those schools are likely to get snapped up before the XII decides to expand back to 12.

Louisville is a sleeping giant and a program that makes alot of money in both football and basketball. They also have stadium plans to get their stadium up to 70k as well.

**Saul Good** · 09-26-2011, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1

TCU > Louisville
TCU > BYU
TCU > Air Force
TCU > West Virginia

No, no, yes, no

**DaKCMan AP** · 09-26-2011, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Louisville is a sleeping giant and a program that makes alot of money in both football and basketball. They also have stadium plans to get their stadium up to 70k as well.

Sleeping giant?

KChiefs1 · 09-26-2011, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReeTodd_KC

This is what I want KU to do...

I'd love for both of us to move to the B1G together.

ChiefsCountry · 09-26-2011, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Sleeping giant?

With the resources they have, put them in the Big 12 with an actual coach. They would do very well.

Rooster · 09-26-2011, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Sleeping giant?

He got that from Lee Corso on ESPN Collega Game day. Almost word for word.

KChiefs1 · 09-26-2011, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Reasoning?

Travel expenses
Recruiting
TV sets

Bambi · 09-26-2011, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

On the brightside a Big 12 North adding Louisville and Cincinnati would mean Mizzou could pretty much pencil in a trip to Dallas each year for the Big 12 Championship. Not to mention with Pinkel's ties to Ohio, could open a pipeline to Mizzou by playing in Cincinnati every other year.

I'm not sure I'd "pencil it in", but you're right regarding the recruiting advantages.

09-12-2011, 07:57 AM
Saulbadguy When a nightmare becomes real Saulbadguy's Avatar Join Date: Nov 2003	New Conference re-alignment thread The old one has AIDS. Anyways, Chip Brown from Orangebloods.com reports OU may apply to the Pac-12 by the end of the month. Oklahoma will apply for membership to the Pac-12 before the end of the month, and Oklahoma State is expected to follow suit, a source close to OU's administration told Orangebloods.com. Even though Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said Friday the Pac-12 was not interested in expansion at this time, OU's board of regents is fed up with the instability in the Big 12, the source said. The OU board of regents will meet within two weeks to formalize plans to apply for membership to the Pac-12, the source said. Messages left Sunday night with OU athletic director Joe Castiglione and Oklahoma State athletic director Mike Holder were not immediately returned. If OU follows through with what appears to be a unanimous sentiment on the seven-member Oklahoma board of regents to leave the Big 12, realignment in college athletics could be heating back up. OU's application would be matched by an application from Oklahoma State, the source said, even though OSU president Burns Hargis and mega-booster Boone Pickens both voiced their support for the Big 12 last Thursday. There is differing sentiment about if the Pac-12 presidents and chancellors are ready to expand again after bringing in Colorado and Utah last year and landing $3 billion TV contracts from Fox and ESPN. Colorado president Bruce Benson told reporters last week CU would be opposed to any expansion that might bring about east and west divisions in the Pac-12. Currently, there are north and south divisions in the Pac-12. If OU and OSU were to join, Larry Scott would have to get creative. Scott's orginal plan last summer was to bring in Colorado, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and put them in an eastern division with Arizona and Arizona State. The old Pac-8 schools (USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State) were to be in the west division. Colorado made the move in June 2010, but when Texas A&M was not on board to go west, the Big 12 came back together with the help of its television partners (ABC/ESPN and Fox). If Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were accepted into the Pac-12, there would undoubtedly be a hope by Larry Scott that Texas would join the league. But Texas sources have indicated UT is determined to hang onto the Longhorn Network, which would not be permissible in the Pac-12 in its current form. Texas sources continue to indicate to Orangebloods.com that if the Big 12 falls apart, the Longhorns would consider "all options." Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe held an emergency conference call 10 days ago with league presidents excluding Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M and asked the other league presidents to "work on Texas" because Beebe didn't think the Pac-12 would take Oklahoma without Texas. Now, it appears OU is willing to take its chances with the Pac-12 with or without Texas. There seemed to be a temporary pause in any possible shifting of the college athletics' landscape when Baylor led a charge to tie up Texas A&M's move to the Southeastern Conference in legal red tape. BU refused to waive its right to sue the SEC over A&M's departure from the Big 12, and the SEC said it would not admit Texas A&M until it had been cleared of any potential lawsuits. Baylor, Kansas and Iowa State have indicated they will not waive their right to sue the SEC. It's unclear if an application by OU to the Pac-12 would draw the same threats of litigation against the Pac-12 from those Big 12 schools. Stay tuned.
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ChiefsCountry The Insider ChiefsCountry's Avatar Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks	On the brightside a Big 12 North adding Louisville and Cincinnati would mean Mizzou could pretty much pencil in a trip to Dallas each year for the Big 12 Championship. Not to mention with Pinkel's ties to Ohio, could open a pipeline to Mizzou by playing in Cincinnati every other year.
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