Carolina really traded it all for this

[RunKC]

I can’t believe how tiny this guy is. At least Russell Wilson had a thick body frame. Bryce is short and lanky.

this just can’t work. I’m sorry pic.twitter.com/8RAezziWv0

— justice for kevin love (@LakeEffectBro) May 20, 2023

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I just do not understand how they thought this guy was gonna work out.

I get Ryan Leaf. I get JaMarcus Russell. I can squint and see immense talent in either of those guys.

In an absolutely PERFECT world, Bryce Young ends up average for 12 games/season in between injuries. For about 6-7 years. And you end up eating a massive chunk of dead money at the back of his contract when that 2nd deal blows up in your face when he's fully and finally broken by trying to play NFL football in a high schooler's body.

There was just never a chance this went well. Ever.

I mean, if Mahomes flamed out you'd say the same thing about him. You've got to take your shot.

But yeah, that dude?

I mean what are you leaning on? he played well at Alabama? He moves around OK? He's above average at a couple things. That's not going to offset the size, which is real bad.

The clsoest thing was you could talk yourself into him becoming Brees. Pretty smart, pretty accurate, quick release. You could kinda see that at Alabama, not elite like Brees which is where the comparisons fall apart, but that's the only case I see.

But watching that video, Christ, you just have to be in a room with a dude that small to run up some red flags.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

I mean, if Mahomes flamed out you'd say the same thing about him. You've got to take your shot.

But yeah, that dude?

I mean what are you leaning on? he played well at Alabama? He moves around OK? He's above average at a couple things. That's not going to offset the size, which is real bad.

The clsoest thing was you could talk yourself into him becoming Brees. Pretty smart, pretty accurate, quick release. You could kinda see that at Alabama, not elite like Brees which is where the comparisons fall apart, but that's the only case I see.

But watching that video, Christ, you just have to be in a room with a dude that small to run up some red flags.

That was my biggest argument in the Mahomes/Watson debate.

The folks that liked Watson did some of the same stupid "He's a winner" shit and my response was always - "yeah, but if it WORKs, what do you have?"

And when you really started looking at Watson you saw a guy who's accuracy was fine. Who's arm was actually a tick below average for an NFL quarterback. Who wasn't terribly mobile. Who's decisionmaking couldn't really be gauged because he had a really simple offense and premier players around him.

Whereas with Mahomes you could see tools that just screamed off the screen. If it worked, you knew you had an All Pro talent (in my wildest dreams I didn't see "Best QB to ever do it" and I loved the kid).

With Young, even if it worked, you weren't getting much out of it. Average for a short period of time was all you were getting. I will ignore (and did in this thread) every single Brees comp ever made. He's an exception that proves the rule. So at Young's size, there was literally no floor either.

Like I said, I can handle guys with no floor (Leaf, Russell, and like you said - Mahomes) if the ceiling is so high that it justifies it. And hell, I can understand (even if I disagree) the argument for taking a guy like Watson who's high floor would seem to offset the low ceiling.

But Young had a low ceiling and no floor. It was just dumb from the moment it was first rumored.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That was my biggest argument in the Mahomes/Watson debate.

The folks that liked Watson did some of the same stupid "He's a winner" shit and my response was always - "yeah, but if it WORKs, what do you have?"

And when you really started looking at Watson you saw a guy who's accuracy was fine. Who's arm was actually a tick below average for an NFL quarterback. Who wasn't terribly mobile. Who's decisionmaking couldn't really be gauged because he had a really simple offense and premier players around him.

Whereas with Mahomes you could see tools that just screamed off the screen. If it worked, you knew you had an All Pro talent (in my wildest dreams I didn't see "Best QB to ever do it" and I loved the kid).

With Young, even if it worked, you weren't getting much out of it. Average for a short period of time was all you were getting. I will ignore (and did in this thread) every single Brees comp ever made. He's an exception that proves the rule. So at Young's size, there was literally no floor either.

Like I said, I can handle guys with no floor (Leaf, Russell, and like you said - Mahomes) if the ceiling is so high that it justifies it. And hell, I can understand (even if I disagree) the argument for taking a guy like Watson who's high floor would seem to offset the low ceiling.

But Young had a low ceiling and no floor. It was just dumb from the moment it was first rumored.

Agreed. And Ill also eat the L on Watson being good being the **** it chuck it to DHop dude.

Mahomes was viewed as a giant risk, but somehow Bryce Young was a good idea?

I thought maybe his accuracy and mobility would drag him through to mediocrity, but obviously his accuracy went from good to ****tarded when he tossed his fundementals out the window and he thinks he's more mobile than he is and it gets his ass in trouble.

He was absolutely a horrible decision and it's playing out as poorly as possible.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

Agreed. And Ill also eat the L on Watson being good being the **** it chuck it to DHop dude.

Mahomes was viewed as a giant risk, but somehow Bryce Young was a good idea?

I thought maybe his accuracy and mobility would drag him through to mediocrity, but obviously his accuracy went from good to ****tarded when he tossed his fundementals out the window and he thinks he's more mobile than he is and it gets his ass in trouble.

He was absolutely a horrible decision and it's playing out as poorly as possible.

About Watson's second year, when everyone was blaming his OL, I watched him play a couple games and said "Hey guys, you realize that Watson is KILLING his OL, right?"

It was pretty apparent early on that Watson was getting a whole bunch of excuses made for him that just didn't check out upon actual observation.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

About Watson's second year, when everyone was blaming his OL, I watched him play a couple games and said "Hey guys, you realize that Watson is KILLING his OL, right?"

It was pretty apparent early on that Watson was getting a whole bunch of excuses made for him that just didn't check out upon actual observation.

Oh yeah, weren't there some "Is Tunsil washed" discussions being had?

Hilarious how the worm has turned on that dude and literally nobody wants him around anymore. Guy assaults a few women for some butthole massages and suddenly the whole world is against you!

[Couch-Potato]

Good takes! Thanks for the read.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

Oh yeah, weren't there some "Is Tunsil washed" discussions being had?

Hilarious how the worm has turned on that dude and literally nobody wants him around anymore. Guy assaults a few women for some butthole massages and suddenly the whole world is against you!

You can be an deviant OR you can be bad at football.

You can't be both.

Oh folks can say the issue is the former, but the Browns traded for him while all that was happening. The real issue is the latter.

Nobody wants him around because he's bad at football. If he weren't, they'd hire him some masseuses with a certain morally casual attitude and soak up that playoff gate with a smile.

[kccrow]

It's just not a good idea to draft a midget to play QB in the NFL. It's really that simple.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by kccrow

It's just not a good idea to draft a midget to play QB in the NFL. It's really that simple.

Revolutionary concept, eh?

It's just so strange to me that the Panthers (and evidently other teams/draft gurus) didn't see what was so clear on its face.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

Oh yeah, weren't there some "Is Tunsil washed" discussions being had?

Hilarious how the worm has turned on that dude and literally nobody wants him around anymore. Guy assaults a few women for some butthole massages and suddenly the whole world is against you!

I think to it's safe to say at this point that the guy sucks ass.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by kccrow

It's just not a good idea to draft a midget to play QB in the NFL. It's really that simple.

Doug Flutie has been one of one of QBs under 5'10 so far in the NFL. Kyler Murray shows flashes, but I don't think he has it in him to sustain it over a decade+ career.


Here's a question - if we didn't have Bailey Zappe as the heir apparent to Carson Wentz's job next year, would you take Bryce Young as Mahomes' backup if the Panthers unceremoniously dumped him this upcoming offseason? Personally, I'd say no, but knowing Andy as the QB whisperer he is, I might be intrigued to find out what he could do with the kid.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Bowser

Doug Flutie has been one of one of QBs under 5'10 so far in the NFL. Kyler Murray shows flashes, but I don't think he has it in him to sustain it over a decade+ career.


Here's a question - if we didn't have Bailey Zappe as the heir apparent to Carson Wentz's job next year, would you take Bryce Young as Mahomes' backup if the Panthers unceremoniously dumped him this upcoming offseason? Personally, I'd say no, but knowing Andy as the QB whisperer he is, I might be intrigued to find out what he could do with the kid.

No....NO...NOOOOOOO

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Bowser

Doug Flutie has been one of one of QBs under 5'10 so far in the NFL. Kyler Murray shows flashes, but I don't think he has it in him to sustain it over a decade+ career.


Here's a question - if we didn't have Bailey Zappe as the heir apparent to Carson Wentz's job next year, would you take Bryce Young as Mahomes' backup if the Panthers unceremoniously dumped him this upcoming offseason? Personally, I'd say no, but knowing Andy as the QB whisperer he is, I might be intrigued to find out what he could do with the kid.

Based on everything I can find, Young measured 5’10 & 1/8” at the combine. That’s the exact same height as Kyler and half an inch shorter than Russell Wilson.

You mention Flutie and, tbh, I’d be surprised if Brees measured higher than 5’11” by his late 2010 seasons.

I’m not really sure height or weight are the culprits here.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Bowser

Doug Flutie has been one of one of QBs under 5'10 so far in the NFL. Kyler Murray shows flashes, but I don't think he has it in him to sustain it over a decade+ career.


Here's a question - if we didn't have Bailey Zappe as the heir apparent to Carson Wentz's job next year, would you take Bryce Young as Mahomes' backup if the Panthers unceremoniously dumped him this upcoming offseason? Personally, I'd say no, but knowing Andy as the QB whisperer he is, I might be intrigued to find out what he could do with the kid.

I'd rather have Bailey Zappe.

You can't run an NFL offense with this guy under center. You have to change everything.

A big part of being a viable backup QB is versatility. It's why Tebow was never going to work in that regard. It's why Kaepernick wouldn't. It's why a guy like Tyler Huntley can be a backup QB in Baltimore behind Lamar or maybe Murray, but wouldn't work about anywhere else.

Your backup has to match styles with your starter.

Young doesn't match styles with anyone.

[Otter]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

Agreed. And Ill also eat the L on Watson being good being the **** it chuck it to DHop dude.

Mahomes was viewed as a giant risk, but somehow Bryce Young was a good idea?

I thought maybe his accuracy and mobility would drag him through to mediocrity, but obviously his accuracy went from good to ****tarded when he tossed his fundementals out the window and he thinks he's more mobile than he is and it gets his ass in trouble.

He was absolutely a horrible decision and it's playing out as poorly as possible.

Can't train a guy to be able to see over his linemen.