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05-02-2022, 09:04 AM | #106 |
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This is going to be a polarizing pick for years to come.
The Chiefs got 700 yards out of Mecole Hardman and the fans hate him. The Chiefs will get 700 yards out of Skyy Moore and the fans will love him to death for it. That's how this will go. Skyy Moore will produce no matter what because it's what Andy Reid and Mahomes do. |
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05-02-2022, 09:06 AM | #107 | |
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That's how we'll have to get ANY elite player we end up with over the coming decade. And ultimately maybe the next year or two is when we'll find some of those at WR and Moore is a complementary player long-term. Again - that's fine. Many 2nd rounders give you nothing precisely because teams focus on ceiling over floor. And I don't think it's a good idea to focus exclusively on one or the other. I simply don't see how an undersized WR with quality of competition concerns who also doesn't have an elite athletic profile is some exceptionally high floor kid, especially not when taken in the 2nd round. |
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05-02-2022, 09:06 AM | #108 | |
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They play for Andy and with Mahomes. If you aren't a moron and have a baseline of athleticism and hands, you'll be a good WR for them. Neither are likely go be Tyreek 2.0. But you traded him because you ddin't wanna pay what he wanted. So it is what it is. |
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05-02-2022, 09:08 AM | #109 | |
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Because we're headed down Frank Clark road. If Moore gets 60 receptions for 700 yards, the handjobs will be wet and frequent. Because somehow running quick hitters underneath zones is not a 'gadget player' whereas anything Hardman does will be. And when he gets that 60 receptions for 700 yards, I'll get called out because I'm a hater when in fact I think that's probably a pretty reasonable prediction. |
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05-02-2022, 09:09 AM | #110 | |
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But you're also gonna end up barren in some spots. |
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05-02-2022, 09:10 AM | #111 |
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I'd be surprised if Pickens isn't a good player, btw.
Look no further than who drafted him. Pittsburgh might be the best team in the league at identifying WR talent. They pretty much shit WR's. I can't remember a time, going back to my childhood, in which they didn't have talented WR's. The fact that they took Pickens and Austin tells me i was probably right about those guys. We'll see. ****ing Steelers, man. We got a WR off them that i didn't want, and then they went and drafted two guys i woulda loved on this team. FML. |
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05-02-2022, 09:11 AM | #112 |
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He's a 2nd rounder. What's teh expectation there? Most aren't gonna turn into #1 WR's. Hell if you hit and he turns into Tyler Lockett, that's great.
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05-02-2022, 09:11 AM | #113 | |
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05-02-2022, 09:12 AM | #114 | |
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05-02-2022, 09:19 AM | #115 | |
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Skyy won’t get that luxury. Tyreek and Sammy are gone and Kelce is entering his declining years. It’s a different world for him. So yeah 700 yards would be more impressive given the circumstances. It also says a lot that the Chiefs brass pretty much shit all over Mecole without saying his name after drafting this kid to replace him. |
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05-02-2022, 09:23 AM | #116 | |
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And with McDuffie, Karlaftis, Moore, Cooks and Williams (who cares about 7th rounders?) I think we focused almost entirely on the floor over the ceiling. That's just too heavily tilted in that direction. That's the most draft capital we've had in decades and the VAST majority of it went to 'safe' picks. I think the 2008 draft class is probably the most comparable we've had in terms of capital. And with that class we took a few safe picks (Dorsey, Flowers, Morgan) and a few more aggressive ones (Albert, Charles, Cottam, Carr) And we scattered them throughout. Here we took all safe picks early with a couple of higher upside ones late. Even the aggressive swings we took on Chenal and Dennard aren't really that aggressive, those are high floor guys who ALSO have high ceilings. Just seems like we overcorrected a hair. I'd have like to have a seen a few more balls/bust picks in there. A Drake Jackson sort, Jalen Tolbert. And mix in the McDuffie over Gordon pick or the Karlaftis over Ebiketie. That's cool - I understand the need for floor. I just think we went too hard in that direction. |
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05-02-2022, 09:23 AM | #117 |
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C’mon guys. How many yards and TD’s from Mecole were quick tosses tosses or jet sweeps behind the LOS? We could have had a day 3 pick like DAT do this shit.
Are we really doing this this? |
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05-02-2022, 09:25 AM | #119 | |
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I get it on defense, but we've also talked about defense being more sum than individual parts. I understand where you're coming from philosophically, but they're also in a spot where depth matters more simply because they've already got the high end guys. They need the next age of high end guys, but they'll have to develop them. |
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05-02-2022, 09:25 AM | #120 | |
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Just like we took DAT in the 2nd round. History repeats itself. But I'm sure the 5'9'' dude with the sub-standard 3-cone time is just gonna go out there wrecking man coverage and won't have to be schemed into space. Like I said - Frank Clark road. We're gonna keep watering down expectations. Literally an hour ago he was possibly the best WR in the class and a future #1. Now 700 yards is cool. Seen this movie many many times. |
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