First Round Targets

[staylor26]

Agreed. I’d be hesistant to take him at 30, but he’s my dream pick in the 2nd if we don’t go edge in the 1st. I’d even be willing to trade up for him if we fill enough holes before the draft.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Agreed. I’d be hesistant to take him at 30, but he’s my dream pick in the 2nd if we don’t go edge in the 1st. I’d even be willing to trade up for him if we fill enough holes before the draft.

Yeah, I acknowledge that he's a little bit of a reach at 30, but I don't think you get him at 45. There are just too many tools for those dregs at the top of the draft to pass on him.

And in the end, when you're going to spend the next 10 years drafting at/below 25, you need to have patience. You're not gonna stumble into too many turnkey superstars. So if there's a guy with top 10 traits but who may require additional development to get there and he's available to you at 28 or 30, then I think you have to go ahead and grab him.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yeah, I acknowledge that he's a little bit of a reach at 30, but I don't think you get him at 45. There are just too many tools for those dregs at the top of the draft to pass on him.

And in the end, when you're going to spend the next 10 years drafting at/below 25, you need to have patience. You're not gonna stumble into too many turnkey superstars. So if there's a guy with top 10 traits but who may require additional development to get there and he's available to you at 28 or 30, then I think you have to go ahead and grab him.

Yea well that won’t go over well on CP because apparently the only pick we can possibly make is somebody that is going to have a big impact right away.

But I agree, which is why I won’t write off Ebiketie or Sanders at 30, despite having a 2nd round grade for both.

[staylor26]

Let’s say these 3 pass rushers are best available at 30:

Ebiketie
Thomas
Sanders

But these other guys are also available:

Trent McDuffie
Kyler Gordon
Kaiir Elam
Daxton Hill
Jaquan Brisker
Drake London
Jahan Dotson
Trevor Penning


Who are you guys taking?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Let’s say these 3 pass rushers are best available at 30:

Ebiketie
Thomas
Sanders

But these other guys are also available:

Trent McDuffie
Kyler Gordon
Kaiir Elam
Daxton Hill
Jaquan Brisker
Drake London
Jahan Dotson
Trevor Penning


Who are you guys taking?

I might take Thomas but I think I'd wait and see if Ebiketie falls to our 2nd. There's an awful lot of really good talent in that 2nd list.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I might take Thomas but I think I'd wait and see if Ebiketie falls to our 2nd. There's an awful lot of really good talent in that 2nd list.

Honestly, I probably take McDuffie or London in that situation.

Then I’m seeing how fast Sanders, Ebiketie, Williams, Bonitto, Mafe, etc. start coming off the board to figure out when/if I have to trade up.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Let’s say these 3 pass rushers are best available at 30:

Ebiketie
Thomas
Sanders

But these other guys are also available:

Trent McDuffie
Kyler Gordon
Kaiir Elam
Daxton Hill
Jaquan Brisker
Drake London
Jahan Dotson
Trevor Penning


Who are you guys taking?

Whoever I take at 30....I'm trying my hardest to trade back up in the 2nd round and grab whoever falls from that list.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

Whoever I take at 30....I'm trying my hardest to trade back up in the 2nd round and grab whoever falls from that list.

That's kind of what I was thinking when I looked at it the first time.

A guy like Ebiketie might be there at 40. Get a DB off that list in the first and then trade up for DE in the 2nd. We have some ammo.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

That's kind of what I was thinking when I looked at it the first time.

A guy like Ebiketie might be there at 40. Get a DB off that list in the first and then trade up for DE in the 2nd. We have some ammo.

Hell...just to hear all the bitching and screaming that it's Speaks 2.0.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

Hell...just to hear all the bitching and screaming that it's Speaks 2.0.

With any luck, he might be Tamba Hali 2.0. He has a similar profile for sure...

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

Hell...just to hear all the bitching and screaming that it's Speaks 2.0.

Oh be ready for that if they take Sam Williams.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Let’s say these 3 pass rushers are best available at 30:

Ebiketie
Thomas
Sanders

But these other guys are also available:

Trent McDuffie
Kyler Gordon
Kaiir Elam
Daxton Hill
Jaquan Brisker
Drake London
Jahan Dotson
Trevor Penning


Who are you guys taking?

Depends ALOT on free agency, to be honest.

If we don't re-sign Ward then I'd have a hard time passing on Kaiir Elam as I think he's the best player on the list overall.

I really like Cam Thomas as an edge though, he may trump all for me if Ward is retained.

I'm very interested in Penning if Ward is retained and ER and S are addressed in some fashion in FA. I think Penning could play RT this year and move to LT next year if KC doesn't re-sign Brown long term or just stay at RT.

I like Brisker, just depends on what happens with the position. If we're void a safety he's a guy that's hard to pass on.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Depends ALOT on free agency, to be honest.

If we don't re-sign Ward then I'd have a hard time passing on Kaiir Elam as I think he's the best player on the list overall.

I really like Cam Thomas as an edge though, he may trump all for me.

I'm very interested in Penning if Ward is retained and ER and S are addressed in some fashion in FA. I think Penning could play RT this year and move to LT next year if KC doesn't re-sign Brown long term or just stay at RT.

I like Brisker, just depends on what happens with the position. If we're void a safety he's a guy that's hard to pass on.

Agree with all of the above. Those are probably my top 4 "realistic" prospects.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Let’s say these 3 pass rushers are best available at 30:

Ebiketie
Thomas
Sanders

But these other guys are also available:

Trent McDuffie
Kyler Gordon
Kaiir Elam
Daxton Hill
Jaquan Brisker
Drake London
Jahan Dotson
Trevor Penning


Who are you guys taking?

Cameron Thomas.

And if either of those remaining DE’s slide to us in the second or even within trade up range with one of our 3rds, I take him as well and smile.

Maybe I’m just not in a proper headspace right now but there’s damn near no limit to the attention I’d give the defensive line. It’s absolutely killing us. And if those early season struggles on defense contributed to plays from Mahomes that shook his confidence, then those are issues we never truly cleared.

Fix the DL, dammit.