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04-23-2024, 11:19 AM | #1171 |
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Oof, you can tell the choked 3 to win has KCC down BAD
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04-23-2024, 11:20 AM | #1172 |
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04-23-2024, 11:23 AM | #1173 |
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I don't even care about the GOAT debate it is worn out and mostly subjective anyway. But at least don't make up fake championships to make your favorite player look better jfc.
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04-23-2024, 11:29 AM | #1174 |
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Especially when you try to claim that championships are a team accomplishment and therefor irrelevant...
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04-23-2024, 11:34 AM | #1175 |
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04-23-2024, 11:35 AM | #1176 |
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04-23-2024, 11:43 AM | #1177 |
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04-23-2024, 01:02 PM | #1178 |
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04-23-2024, 01:04 PM | #1179 |
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04-23-2024, 01:07 PM | #1180 |
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In any case, Koufax is not considered the greatest pitcher of all time precisely because he had a short career. He might be considered the "best" pitcher of all time because of his incredible peak but that's an entirely separate discussion.
The same applies to MJ at this point given LeBron's ridiculous longevity at the top of the game. Call him the best player ever if you wish (I'll still quibble with you on that), but he has no real argument for GOAT status any longer and hasn't for a long time now. |
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04-23-2024, 01:11 PM | #1181 |
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On a similar note, Mahomes is absolutely the best player ever at his position in NFL. His peak now is unparalled. But is he the GOAT? Most would say that he needs to play a little bit longer and accomplish a little bit more (or in the case of Brady backers, a lot more) for that mantle.
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04-23-2024, 01:13 PM | #1182 | |
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Before he'd won a thing of note. Before he'd even begun to sniff his 'Koufax Run'. That's how broad the disparity between Jordan and Koufax is here. I'd simply motion to strike your question as irrelevant. 25 year old Jordan had people discussing him among the all time greats. 25 yr old Sandy Koufax just had his first All-Star season before walking away from the game for good at 30. Michael Jordan was already seen as an all-timer at 25, stepped away from the game at 30, then came back and won 2 MVPs in 3 years in the midst of leading a 3-peat including probably the greatest team of all time. No, Sandy Koufax wasn't the greatest pitcher of all time. He also isn't in the same stratosphere as Michael Jordan. And if you're the one that's going to attempt to argue peak (which you appear to have backed quickly away from), I'm not sure what point you're even trying to make here. |
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04-23-2024, 01:14 PM | #1183 | |
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Lebron is going to have to play the Brady game and lean on his longevity as the reason for him being the GOAT |
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04-23-2024, 01:14 PM | #1184 | |
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For whatever reason I don't recall LeBron asking to join any 73 win teams at any point in his career. |
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04-23-2024, 01:16 PM | #1185 | |
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As for MVPs, see the discussion over the sketchy nature of those last week. Both MJ and LeBron should have won at least double the amount of MVPs that they actually won, so it's kind of a silly thing to bring up anyway. |
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