***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[dirk digler]

Interesting stats out of Italy.


https://www.corriere.it/politica/20_...?refresh_ce-cp

The real death toll for Covid-19 is at least 4 times the official numbers

Nembro, one of the municipalities most affected by Covid-19, should have had - under normal conditions - about 35 deaths. 158 people were registered dead this year by the municipal offices. But the number of deaths officially attributed to Covid-19 is 31

Nembro, in the province of Bergamo, is the municipality most affected by Covid-19 in relation to the population. We do not know exactly how many people have been infected, but we know that the number of deaths officially attributed to Covid-19 is 31. We are two physicists: one who became an entrepreneur in the health sector, the other a mayor, in close contact with a very cohesive territory, where we know each other very well. We noticed that something in these official numbers did not come back right, and we decided - together - to check. We looked at the average of the deaths in the municipality of previous years, in the period January - March.

Nembro should have had - under normal conditions - about 35 deaths. 158 people were registered dead this year by the municipal offices. That is 123 more than the average. Not 31 more, as it should have been according to the official numbers of the coronavirus epidemic.

It is extremely reasonable to think that these excess deaths are largely elderly or frail people who died at home or in residential facilities, without being hospitalized and without being swabbed to verify that they have actually become infected with Covid-19. Given the decline seen in the last few days after the peak, flock immunity has likely been attained in Nembro. To a certain degree, Nembro represents what would happen in Italy if everyone were infected by CoronaVirus, Covid-19: 600,000 people would die. The numbers of Nembro also suggest that we must take those official deaths and multiply them by at least 4 to have the real impact of Covid-19 in Italy, at this moment.

Our suggestion, therefore, is to take the data of the individual municipalities where there have been at least 10 official deaths due to Covid-19 and check if it corresponds to real deaths.

Our fear is that not only the number of infected people have been largely underestimated due to the low number of swabs and tests carried out, and therefore the number of asymptomatic from the statistics have «disappeared», but that the case is also – through the data of the Municipalities - that of the dead.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Mecca

What if the cure is drinking horse semen? I think the odds are about the same right now.

Gonna go ahead and disagree with you on this one.

[Donger]

On the plus side, gasoline will soon be below $2.00/gallon.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Yo! Please don't. Let's keep this thread civil.

That was civil compared to what I really think.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Why Not?

Then I’ll be lauded as a pioneer! Wait.....what?

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Donger

On the plus side, gasoline will soon be below $2.00/gallon.

$1.59 here.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

False and unproven.

You guys really need to read the nonsense you're posting and if you ARE reading these articles, then posting, well...

False? No. Unproven? Yes. Why can't either side just agree to wait and see?

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Why Not?

Then I’ll be lauded as a pioneer! Wait.....what?

Meanwhile, at Chez HogFarmer

via GIPHY

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Why Not?

Then I’ll be lauded as a pioneer! Wait.....what?

We should keep note if you avoid the Corona.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

$1.59 here.

I filled up my mower gas can for $1.49 on Monday.

[ptlyon]

Originally Posted by Mecca

What if the cure is drinking horse semen? I think the odds are about the same right now.

I think you're on to something here.
I haven't seen any data from Mexico about any of the show girls getting it.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Yo! Please don't. Let's keep this thread civil.

We've already been asked a few times to boot you from the thread, as I'm sure a lot of people go by the mantra of once a troll, always a troll with little room for benefit of the doubt that you're just trying to be funny or whatever.... yet, I'm not sure what else I'd call your past few posts, where it's nothing more than baiting people into responding and hijacking the thread. Then you'll play dumb, then will be back with the same bit tomorrow.

Stop the bullshit or GTFO.

[oaklandhater]

New York's #COVID19 situation is bad.

New Orleans is about to be worse. NoLA is experiencing the fastest case growth in the world at the moment. https://t.co/XqURe1RPx9

— Reid Wilson (@PoliticsReid) March 26, 2020

[Mr. Plow]

Originally Posted by Mecca

If any of you all rent from SBD watch out...

https://view.bbsv3.net/bbext/?p=land...6-d7cd1fed9cc7

Message from the CEO of a local rental company during global pandemic- "Paying rent should be your top priority; you can defer all your other bills. We will not be taken advantage of."

So be aware how they feel about this. Boys and girls rent>food.

Jesus.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

We've already been asked a few times to boot you from the thread, as I'm sure a lot of people go by the mantra of once a troll, always a troll with little room for benefit of the doubt that you're just trying to be funny or whatever.... yet, I'm not sure what else I'd call your past few posts, where it's nothing more than baiting people into responding and hijacking the thread. Then you'll play dumb, then will be back with the same bit tomorrow.

Stop the bullshit or GTFO.

I am sorry, but I do not understand.

I post info, perhaps positive, but that is my prerogative and perfectly acceptable. People respond and play nice for the most part, then Donger called me a dick out of nowhere.

Donger's response was the issue here. Has something changed? Is positive news no longer welcome here? And Donger calling me a dick is?

I feel like I am treading eggshells in this thread every time I post positive news. It is hard to know what is and what is not acceptable.

Can you quote a post that I may have made that is not acceptable today?