***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[eDave]

Treatment is all fine and dandy but doesn't address the spread. Lots of recovering people, all the time.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by petegz28

We also have a much larger population and logistical challenge than SK does.

Lookit, I would love it if we could test everyone. But then you would essentially have to isolate everyone until all the tests came back. Otherwise you can test negative but get infected 5 mins later.

Testing on a mass scale is only going to give you a snapshot of that particular moment in time. And until you know the results you would literally have to lock up everyone until you knew who had what or didn't have it.

Right, which is why our testing strategy is not comparable to SK

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by eDave

Treatment is all fine and dandy but doesn't address the spread. Lots of recovering people, all the time.

Containing the spread is going to be a neverending battle. Until we get effective treatments and vaccines it's going to be rough.

And you hope evolution plays a bit of a part and our bodies start to adapt to fighting this off. I have heard doctors talk about as this virus mutates it generally becomes less potent. As it learns to live off of humans so do our bodies become better at fighting it.

Time is the commodity right now for several reasons.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by eDave

Treatment is all fine and dandy but doesn't address the spread. Lots of recovering people, all the time.

There's nothing we can do to stop the spread until a vaccine comes out except practice social distancing. It sucks man. Such a horrible situation all because the Chinese like to eat bats.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SupDock

Right, which is why our testing strategy is not comparable to SK

I am just giving you the raw numbers. We have tested more people than SK. Now how you apply that to other variables is how you apply it to other variables and I wouldn't necessarily disagree.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SupDock

We have tested considerably less people per capita than SK. In my opinion, this is much more relevant.

And just to point out, we are running about even with the death rate in SK which is 1.4%. I know it doesn't seem like it or feel like it but we are.


Whereas Italy is running closer to 9%.

The numbers show that while we are closer to Italy in total cases we are much, much closer to SK in outcome.

[arrowheadnation]

The Stimulus package just passed in the Senate via a unanimous vote.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by arrowheadnation

The Stimulus package just passed in the Senate via a unanimous vote.

About as political as I will get in this thread, it's about freakin' time. Now the House needs to get it passed and moved on. A lot of people, contrary to what some on here seem to think, are depending on that money to keep their business opened, employees on the payroll and their job.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by arrowheadnation

The Stimulus package just passed in the Senate via a unanimous vote.

That's great to hear. Lots of Americans out there could use this money but from what I hear the people that need it won't get it for another month or so. Still great to hear. Hopefully they can speed up the process some how.

[Chieftain]

Staying at home minimizes the chances of a spread greatly. Some of us still need to go out to buy groceries and some others still have to work. For the majority who are layed off/furloughed, staying home is the most sensible thing to do. We don't want to end up like Italy or Spain. The spanish were out in the streets, in large gatherings and public events. They were making fun of the chinese just a couple of weeks ago. I bet they aren't laughing now.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by e3263518

Staying at home minimizes the chances of a spread greatly. Some of us still need to go out to buy groceries and some others still have to work. For the majority who are layed off/furloughed, staying home is the most sensible thing to do. We don't want to end up like Italy or Spain. The spanish were out in the streets, in large gatherings and public events. They were making fun of the chinese just a couple of weeks ago. I bet they aren't laughing now.

If you noticed when this first started how many people on here and not just here but in society were downplaying the CoronaVirus and saying it is just the flu.. We should go about our lives. etc...

Well they aren't doing that now are they? Hell even petegz28 wants to quarantine NY now.

[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

That's great to hear. Lots of Americans out there could use this money but from what I hear the people that need it won't get it for another month or so. Still great to hear. Hopefully they can speed up the process some how.

It still needs to clear the House.

[Strongside]

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

We ended up at 222 deaths today.

Applying the slight revision upward I'd guess somewhere between 341 and 350 tomorrow.

Looks like we were nearly 100 shy of these numbers today. Am I seeing that correctly?

[LiveSteam]

Fire up the printing presses.
Print $$$$$$$$ and give us citizens more than 1,200.00 a person..
I want 7k minimum for a family of 4 and 2,400.00 for singles.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Why Not?

It still needs to clear the House.

It will. It passed the Senate unanimously. It will pass the House.