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**Saulbadguy** · 09-12-2011, 07:57 AM

The old one has AIDS.

Anyways, Chip Brown from Orangebloods.com reports OU may apply to the Pac-12 by the end of the month.

Oklahoma will apply for membership to the Pac-12 before the end of the month, and Oklahoma State is expected to follow suit, a source close to OU's administration told Orangebloods.com.

Even though Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said Friday the Pac-12 was not interested in expansion at this time, OU's board of regents is fed up with the instability in the Big 12, the source said.

The OU board of regents will meet within two weeks to formalize plans to apply for membership to the Pac-12, the source said.

Messages left Sunday night with OU athletic director Joe Castiglione and Oklahoma State athletic director Mike Holder were not immediately returned.

If OU follows through with what appears to be a unanimous sentiment on the seven-member Oklahoma board of regents to leave the Big 12, realignment in college athletics could be heating back up. OU's application would be matched by an application from Oklahoma State, the source said, even though OSU president Burns Hargis and mega-booster Boone Pickens both voiced their support for the Big 12 last Thursday.

There is differing sentiment about if the Pac-12 presidents and chancellors are ready to expand again after bringing in Colorado and Utah last year and landing $3 billion TV contracts from Fox and ESPN. Colorado president Bruce Benson told reporters last week CU would be opposed to any expansion that might bring about east and west divisions in the Pac-12.

Currently, there are north and south divisions in the Pac-12. If OU and OSU were to join, Larry Scott would have to get creative.

Scott's orginal plan last summer was to bring in Colorado, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and put them in an eastern division with Arizona and Arizona State. The old Pac-8 schools (USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State) were to be in the west division.

Colorado made the move in June 2010, but when Texas A&M was not on board to go west, the Big 12 came back together with the help of its television partners (ABC/ESPN and Fox).

If Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were accepted into the Pac-12, there would undoubtedly be a hope by Larry Scott that Texas would join the league. But Texas sources have indicated UT is determined to hang onto the Longhorn Network, which would not be permissible in the Pac-12 in its current form.

Texas sources continue to indicate to Orangebloods.com that if the Big 12 falls apart, the Longhorns would consider "all options."

Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe held an emergency conference call 10 days ago with league presidents excluding Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M and asked the other league presidents to "work on Texas" because Beebe didn't think the Pac-12 would take Oklahoma without Texas.

Now, it appears OU is willing to take its chances with the Pac-12 with or without Texas.

There seemed to be a temporary pause in any possible shifting of the college athletics' landscape when Baylor led a charge to tie up Texas A&M's move to the Southeastern Conference in legal red tape. BU refused to waive its right to sue the SEC over A&M's departure from the Big 12, and the SEC said it would not admit Texas A&M until it had been cleared of any potential lawsuits.

Baylor, Kansas and Iowa State have indicated they will not waive their right to sue the SEC.

It's unclear if an application by OU to the Pac-12 would draw the same threats of litigation against the Pac-12 from those Big 12 schools.

Stay tuned.

Coach · 08-03-2023, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

The SEC and ACC locking themselves into long term deals with one primary media partner is looking more and more like a strategic error considering ESPN’s dire current financial situation.

ESPN was unwilling (unable?) to pay the SEC extra for something as incremental as going from 8 to 9 conference games.

The Big 10 had the right approach going with multiple media partners and with a deal that starts immediately… the SEC entered into their deal with ESPN in 2020, but it doesn’t actually begin until 2024… so much will have changed with ESPN in those four years and not for the better.

Big 12 just did a masterpiece on contract negotiations. Their contract will expire in 5-6 years, most likely will get a raise while the ACC contract will likely still be paying the same amount, and those bitch ass FSU crybabies will still be whining.

FloridaMan88 · 08-03-2023, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach

Big 12 just did a masterpiece on contract negotiations. Their contract will expire in 5-6 years, most likely will get a raise while the ACC contract will likely still be paying the same amount, and those bitch ass FSU crybabies will still be whining.

The Big 12 should give Brett Yormark a lifetime contract.

Chiefspants · 08-03-2023, 09:29 PM

How do people like this end up in these positions?

“it’s almost like he’s being dragged across the finish line,” a person directly familiar with tonight’s ABOR meeting told me about their view ASU President Michael Crow on the school’s potential move to the Big-12.

More:https://t.co/d8QgueeqRN pic.twitter.com/zcNC6xHCwu
— Chris Karpman (@ChrisKarpman) August 4, 2023

The hoops fan in me would be okay UCONN as a consolation. UCONN, Arizona, and Houston entering the Big 12 is just insane to think about at this juncture.

Coach · 08-03-2023, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants

How do people like this end up in these positions?

“it’s almost like he’s being dragged across the finish line,” a person directly familiar with tonight’s ABOR meeting told me about their view ASU President Michael Crow on the school’s potential move to the Big-12.

More:https://t.co/d8QgueeqRN pic.twitter.com/zcNC6xHCwu
— Chris Karpman (@ChrisKarpman) August 4, 2023

The hoops fan in me would be okay UCONN as a consolation. UCONN, Arizona, and Houston entering the Big 12 is just insane to think about at this juncture.

This is where if I was Yormark and/or the Big 12 Presidents, I would give the AZ BOR an ultimatum.

Either remove Crow and ASU will get accepted or enjoy the hellhole of Mountain West.

I hope they do that. Crow needs to be gone. That guy has been a staunch supporter of the Pac-12, as he'd long been an advocate of former commissioner Larry Scott, even after the league's trajectory went all ****ed up.

KingPriest2 · 08-03-2023, 10:05 PM

Figures Washington is going into Executive session. Not public

KingPriest2 · 08-03-2023, 11:43 PM

Washington meeting is adjourned

10 35 pm pst

Supposedly 2 of the regents raised 2 issues. Not sure what it’s about

Tomorrow. PAC 8 leaders are meeting Going over the apple offer again which expires tomorrow.

Arizona looks good as gone. Big 12 approved them today

ASU Crow is killing his regents by dragging his feet. Wants to hear more tomorrow

Utah is waking up. Listening to the Big 12

Oregon and Washington. Has a low offer by the Big 10. 35 mil Washington needs 10 mil more for travel So I’m hearing Big 12 is looking more and more.

So will tomorrow finally be the start of the funeral of the PAC 12?

lawrenceRaider · 08-04-2023, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

Suicide watch for Bill Walton?

Conference of losers about to be no more.

Dude is gonna overdose on shrooms and LSD somewhere.

I love Bill Walton. Would be cool if we started getting him on B12 games.

Al Bundy · 08-04-2023, 07:55 AM

Multiples sources tell @DanWetzel and me that the tides are turning: The Pac-12 meeting this morning to sign a Grant of Rights, which @YahooSports reported last night, remains on schedule & expectation is all presidents will show.https://t.co/hW0RYiddZs https://t.co/F1BTl2R6c5
— Ross Dellenger (@RossDellenger) August 4, 2023

KingPriest2 · 08-04-2023, 08:11 AM

At last minute, Pac-12 may stay together & sign Grant of Rights. After Monday’s media rights offer, P12 held multiple zoom meetings this week. Arizona’s Bobby Robbins appeared fully committed to Pac-12 so much that one participant said: “If Arizona leaves, he should win an Oscar"

https://twitter.com/brett_mcmurphy/s...n6FHKMqlrjZx2w

KingPriest2 · 08-04-2023, 08:12 AM

don't know how Robbins and Heeke would be able to navigate staying in the conference at this point. At least from a local public perception. It's not good, Arizona fans don't like the Pac-12 to being with for the most pa

https://twitter.com/jasonscheer/stat...n6FHKMqlrjZx2w

KingPriest2 · 08-04-2023, 08:13 AM

There is a very real chance that Arizona makes the decision to go alone.

https://twitter.com/jasonscheer/stat...n6FHKMqlrjZx2w

KingPriest2 · 08-04-2023, 08:14 AM

Arizona was still planning to go to the Big 12 after last night's meeting. Coaches were informed and it was full steam ahead. We have said it's not over until it's over but it would still be one of the most shocking turnarounds I have seen.

https://twitter.com/jasonscheer/stat...n6FHKMqlrjZx2w

Mr. Plow · 08-04-2023, 08:34 AM

I have no idea who most of these people tweeting info are, so take it with a grain of salt.

Arizona is doing everything it can to leave. ABOR wants the schools to be together and has authority. Michael Crow is pushing for more consideration. Pac-12 is meeting this morning on a grant of rights. It’s getting very messy. Crow has always preferred the Pac-12 stay together. https://t.co/ovQnQ0LnD8
— Chris Karpman (@ChrisKarpman) August 4, 2023

BWillie · 08-04-2023, 08:52 AM

All money aside, how much more travel expenses does a school from the Pac have to incur should they join the Big 12? 31.7M vs 21M but if you have 5M more in travel expenses maybe thats the argument. Either way you want your program on regular TV for eye balls and exposure.

KingPriest2 · 08-04-2023, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

I have no idea who most of these people tweeting info are, so take it with a grain of salt.

Arizona is doing everything it can to leave. ABOR wants the schools to be together and has authority. Michael Crow is pushing for more consideration. Pac-12 is meeting this morning on a grant of rights. It’s getting very messy. Crow has always preferred the Pac-12 stay together. https://t.co/ovQnQ0LnD8
— Chris Karpman (@ChrisKarpman) August 4, 2023

These guys are legit

Brett Murphy
Michal Lev
Jadon schemer
Stewart Mandel
Ross Delinger
Branden Marcelo
Chris Karpman
Dan Wetzel
Dennis Dodd

Pete Thamel

365 sports

09-12-2011, 07:57 AM
Saulbadguy When a nightmare becomes real Saulbadguy's Avatar Join Date: Nov 2003	New Conference re-alignment thread The old one has AIDS. Anyways, Chip Brown from Orangebloods.com reports OU may apply to the Pac-12 by the end of the month. Oklahoma will apply for membership to the Pac-12 before the end of the month, and Oklahoma State is expected to follow suit, a source close to OU's administration told Orangebloods.com. Even though Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said Friday the Pac-12 was not interested in expansion at this time, OU's board of regents is fed up with the instability in the Big 12, the source said. The OU board of regents will meet within two weeks to formalize plans to apply for membership to the Pac-12, the source said. Messages left Sunday night with OU athletic director Joe Castiglione and Oklahoma State athletic director Mike Holder were not immediately returned. If OU follows through with what appears to be a unanimous sentiment on the seven-member Oklahoma board of regents to leave the Big 12, realignment in college athletics could be heating back up. OU's application would be matched by an application from Oklahoma State, the source said, even though OSU president Burns Hargis and mega-booster Boone Pickens both voiced their support for the Big 12 last Thursday. There is differing sentiment about if the Pac-12 presidents and chancellors are ready to expand again after bringing in Colorado and Utah last year and landing $3 billion TV contracts from Fox and ESPN. Colorado president Bruce Benson told reporters last week CU would be opposed to any expansion that might bring about east and west divisions in the Pac-12. Currently, there are north and south divisions in the Pac-12. If OU and OSU were to join, Larry Scott would have to get creative. Scott's orginal plan last summer was to bring in Colorado, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and put them in an eastern division with Arizona and Arizona State. The old Pac-8 schools (USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State) were to be in the west division. Colorado made the move in June 2010, but when Texas A&M was not on board to go west, the Big 12 came back together with the help of its television partners (ABC/ESPN and Fox). If Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were accepted into the Pac-12, there would undoubtedly be a hope by Larry Scott that Texas would join the league. But Texas sources have indicated UT is determined to hang onto the Longhorn Network, which would not be permissible in the Pac-12 in its current form. Texas sources continue to indicate to Orangebloods.com that if the Big 12 falls apart, the Longhorns would consider "all options." Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe held an emergency conference call 10 days ago with league presidents excluding Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M and asked the other league presidents to "work on Texas" because Beebe didn't think the Pac-12 would take Oklahoma without Texas. Now, it appears OU is willing to take its chances with the Pac-12 with or without Texas. There seemed to be a temporary pause in any possible shifting of the college athletics' landscape when Baylor led a charge to tie up Texas A&M's move to the Southeastern Conference in legal red tape. BU refused to waive its right to sue the SEC over A&M's departure from the Big 12, and the SEC said it would not admit Texas A&M until it had been cleared of any potential lawsuits. Baylor, Kansas and Iowa State have indicated they will not waive their right to sue the SEC. It's unclear if an application by OU to the Pac-12 would draw the same threats of litigation against the Pac-12 from those Big 12 schools. Stay tuned.
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08-03-2023, 09:29 PM	#10488
Chiefspants World's Best Boss Chiefspants's Avatar Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bronco Country	How do people like this end up in these positions? “it’s almost like he’s being dragged across the finish line,” a person directly familiar with tonight’s ABOR meeting told me about their view ASU President Michael Crow on the school’s potential move to the Big-12. More:https://t.co/d8QgueeqRN pic.twitter.com/zcNC6xHCwu — Chris Karpman (@ChrisKarpman) August 4, 2023 The hoops fan in me would be okay UCONN as a consolation. UCONN, Arizona, and Houston entering the Big 12 is just insane to think about at this juncture.
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08-03-2023, 10:05 PM	#10490
KingPriest2 Super Grover KingPriest2's Avatar Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: KCMO	Figures Washington is going into Executive session. Not public
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08-03-2023, 11:43 PM	#10491
KingPriest2 Super Grover KingPriest2's Avatar Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: KCMO	Washington meeting is adjourned 10 35 pm pst Supposedly 2 of the regents raised 2 issues. Not sure what it’s about Tomorrow. PAC 8 leaders are meeting Going over the apple offer again which expires tomorrow. Arizona looks good as gone. Big 12 approved them today ASU Crow is killing his regents by dragging his feet. Wants to hear more tomorrow Utah is waking up. Listening to the Big 12 Oregon and Washington. Has a low offer by the Big 10. 35 mil Washington needs 10 mil more for travel So I’m hearing Big 12 is looking more and more. So will tomorrow finally be the start of the funeral of the PAC 12?
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08-04-2023, 07:55 AM	#10493
Al Bundy Damnit Peg Al Bundy's Avatar Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Overland Park	Multiples sources tell @DanWetzel and me that the tides are turning: The Pac-12 meeting this morning to sign a Grant of Rights, which @YahooSports reported last night, remains on schedule & expectation is all presidents will show.https://t.co/hW0RYiddZs https://t.co/F1BTl2R6c5 — Ross Dellenger (@RossDellenger) August 4, 2023
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08-04-2023, 08:11 AM	#10494
KingPriest2 Super Grover KingPriest2's Avatar Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: KCMO	At last minute, Pac-12 may stay together & sign Grant of Rights. After Monday’s media rights offer, P12 held multiple zoom meetings this week. Arizona’s Bobby Robbins appeared fully committed to Pac-12 so much that one participant said: “If Arizona leaves, he should win an Oscar" https://twitter.com/brett_mcmurphy/s...n6FHKMqlrjZx2w
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08-04-2023, 08:12 AM	#10495
KingPriest2 Super Grover KingPriest2's Avatar Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: KCMO	don't know how Robbins and Heeke would be able to navigate staying in the conference at this point. At least from a local public perception. It's not good, Arizona fans don't like the Pac-12 to being with for the most pa https://twitter.com/jasonscheer/stat...n6FHKMqlrjZx2w
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08-04-2023, 08:13 AM	#10496
KingPriest2 Super Grover KingPriest2's Avatar Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: KCMO	There is a very real chance that Arizona makes the decision to go alone. https://twitter.com/jasonscheer/stat...n6FHKMqlrjZx2w
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08-04-2023, 08:14 AM	#10497
KingPriest2 Super Grover KingPriest2's Avatar Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: KCMO	Arizona was still planning to go to the Big 12 after last night's meeting. Coaches were informed and it was full steam ahead. We have said it's not over until it's over but it would still be one of the most shocking turnarounds I have seen. https://twitter.com/jasonscheer/stat...n6FHKMqlrjZx2w
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08-04-2023, 08:34 AM	#10498
Mr. Plow In Search of a Life Mr. Plow's Avatar Join Date: Dec 2005	I have no idea who most of these people tweeting info are, so take it with a grain of salt. Arizona is doing everything it can to leave. ABOR wants the schools to be together and has authority. Michael Crow is pushing for more consideration. Pac-12 is meeting this morning on a grant of rights. It’s getting very messy. Crow has always preferred the Pac-12 stay together. https://t.co/ovQnQ0LnD8 — Chris Karpman (@ChrisKarpman) August 4, 2023
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08-04-2023, 08:52 AM	#10499
BWillie El Gato Gordo Loco BWillie's Avatar Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Earth	All money aside, how much more travel expenses does a school from the Pac have to incur should they join the Big 12? 31.7M vs 21M but if you have 5M more in travel expenses maybe thats the argument. Either way you want your program on regular TV for eye balls and exposure.
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