Shooting at the parade

[Otter]

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[Al Czervik]

Originally Posted by notorious

Jesus Fraz, you never told us you met KcNative in person.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by notorious

Jesus Fraz, you never told us you met KcNative in person.

Well, I'm pretty sure it wasn't him, but that would explain a lot. I knocked the shit out of that guy.

[Raiderhater]

Originally Posted by Frazod

I agree with this. I was friends with a few of them when I lived in Chicago. Some are far more decent than others. One of them likely saved my life after I got in an altercation with a guy who then went home, got his gun and returned intending to shoot me. My buddy was the bouncer at the bar where it happened, was older and senior to the guy, and stopped him. I wasn't even aware of how close I came to getting whacked that night until much later.

For all of their faults, they do tend to be a pretty loyal bunch. If you’ve some how managed to earn their trust or respect, you might actually be one of the safest people in the community. Back in the mid to late 90’s in southwest New Mexico my family had an outreach program for the at risk and gang kids piggybacked off of a boot camp style program at a family ranch in the mountains. Two of the kids, two brothers who were just punks and not really affiliated with any of the local gangs ran away one day and robbed our house while we were at church one Sunday. They were eventually caught, and some of the actual gang kids we knew and worked with who were in currently in juvi (it was a never ending cycle despite the best of efforts) are telling mom and dad that they’d beat the two up if they wanted. “NO! We’re trying to teach you all a different way.”

But aside from that one incident that wasn’t even gang member related, we figured our house was one of the safest homes in town.

[bevischief]

I just saw more footage of us trying to leave this craziness .

[bevischief]

The law enforcement did a great job. Seriously they did with getting everyone out. And getting us back to our car.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

100%... and I really have no clue what I'd do if it was up to me next year, because we can talk until we're blue in the face about the inherent risk with such events and how this shit happening once in 4 parades doesn't automatically increase that risk in future events and how you could trip down a flight of stairs and break your neck tomorrow... but then again, this stretches beyond those directly impacted to those running for their lives who witnessed it firsthand, those with kids who saw it happen (much less were shot), their families, etc.

I know I'm way too logical with this stuff, but I really hope nothing changes at all. Does it suck that it happened? Absolutely. But should the world stop holding large events unless metal detectors are involved? Man, that would suck.

I understand the trauma, and if people choose not to go because of it, that's perfectly understandable. But even among those who went, your chances of actually being harmed are incredibly low. They estimated that 1 million people were there (though I'm always skeptical of those estimates), which means that ~0.002% of people who attended were harmed (1 in 50k) and ~0.0002% of people were killed (1 in 500k). Compare that to car crashes, which kill ~40k people per year in the U.S. (1 in 8k).

It's just not that risky in reality even if it is an extremely disconcerting and traumatizing event.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by teedubya

I must say, as horrible as it was, it feels “better” that it was just an idiotic gang related fight, instead of a plotted domestic terrorism event. It could have been MUCH worse, thousands would be dead, otherwise. And that’s scary and probably gave some future asshole some ideas.

Moving forward, all future parades and celebrations will be much different though, unfortunately.

although, National sports media today makes it sound like it was a targeted mass shooting and not a gang conflict today.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I know I'm way too logical with this stuff, but I really hope nothing changes at all. Does it suck that it happened? Absolutely. But should the world stop holding large events unless metal detectors are involved? Man, that would suck.

I understand the trauma, and if people choose not to go because of it, that's perfectly understandable. But even among those who went, your chances of actually being harmed are incredibly low. They estimated that 1 million people were there (though I'm always skeptical of those estimates), which means that ~0.002% of people who attended were harmed (1 in 50k) and ~0.0002% of people were killed (1 in 500k). Compare that to car crashes, which kill ~40k people per year in the U.S. (1 in 8k).

It's just not that risky in reality even if it is an extremely disconcerting and traumatizing event.

The only thing I worry about is now that this has happened...there will be even more people conceal carrying at another parade.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I know I'm way too logical with this stuff, but I really hope nothing changes at all. Does it suck that it happened? Absolutely. But should the world stop holding large events unless metal detectors are involved? Man, that would suck.

I understand the trauma, and if people choose not to go because of it, that's perfectly understandable. But even among those who went, your chances of actually being harmed are incredibly low. They estimated that 1 million people were there (though I'm always skeptical of those estimates), which means that ~0.002% of people who attended were harmed (1 in 50k) and ~0.0002% of people were killed (1 in 500k). Compare that to car crashes, which kill ~40k people per year in the U.S. (1 in 80k).

It's just not that risky in reality even if it is an extremely disconcerting and traumatizing event.

Think my worry becomes does this plant a seed in some psycho's mind that they can pull off an assassination easily in this type of environment?

I wish things could stay the same. But I'm not sure how they can. IF something tragic like an assassination were to happen, history would not remember KC's action (or lack thereof) fondly.

We will find out fast. The other leagues are the ones who will have to make a decision first.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

although, National sports media today makes it sound like it was a targeted mass shooting and not a gang conflict today.

Because almost no information has come out yet.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I know I'm way too logical with this stuff, but I really hope nothing changes at all. Does it suck that it happened? Absolutely. But should the world stop holding large events unless metal detectors are involved? Man, that would suck.

I understand the trauma, and if people choose not to go because of it, that's perfectly understandable. But even among those who went, your chances of actually being harmed are incredibly low. They estimated that 1 million people were there (though I'm always skeptical of those estimates), which means that ~0.002% of people who attended were harmed (1 in 50k) and ~0.0002% of people were killed (1 in 500k). Compare that to car crashes, which kill ~40k people per year in the U.S. (1 in 8k).

It's just not that risky in reality even if it is an extremely disconcerting and traumatizing event.

I feel like you should also consider how many championship parades there have been in the last several decades without something like this happening.

One wonders if insurance companies are going to be the ones making the determination of what the city and the team do in the future.

[displacedinMN]

what will be really sad and sick here is if prosecutors or judges let these people off with no bail.
Or is that just a Minnesota thing?

[nychief]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

although, National sports media today makes it sound like it was a targeted mass shooting and not a gang conflict today.

Has it be reported that is was gang related...?

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by Raiderhater

For all of their faults, they do tend to be a pretty loyal bunch. If you’ve some how managed to earn their trust or respect, you might actually be one of the safest people in the community. Back in the mid to late 90’s in southwest New Mexico my family had an outreach program for the at risk and gang kids piggybacked off of a boot camp style program at a family ranch in the mountains. Two of the kids, two brothers who were just punks and not really affiliated with any of the local gangs ran away one day and robbed our house while we were at church one Sunday. They were eventually caught, and some of the actual gang kids we knew and worked with who were in currently in juvi (it was a never ending cycle despite the best of efforts) are telling mom and dad that they’d beat the two up if they wanted. “NO! We’re trying to teach you all a different way.”

But aside from that one incident that wasn’t even gang member related, we figured our house was one of the safest homes in town.

Hell, I financed a car through a biker gang once. I know that sounds crazy, but I swear it's true. Obviously there was no paperwork involved. DC Danny just showed me his Glock and said, "I know you won't miss any payments." Needless to say, I didn't.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

The only thing I worry about is now that this has happened...there will be even more people conceal carrying at another parade.

Why would that worry you? Again, those with nefarious intentions will always do what they want to do, others would carry to protect themselves.