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Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay on the Outs?
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05-11-2021, 01:16 PM | #1036 |
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I think a lot of the "rigged!" conspiracy talk would be eliminated if the officiating in the NFL wasn't complete shit.
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05-11-2021, 01:34 PM | #1037 |
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05-11-2021, 02:05 PM | #1039 |
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I view the system the NFL and its referees use as a pendulum. The pendulum swings based on previous games, star players, and even season-to-season rule changes.
EXAMPLE #1: You don't think the NFL was watching the Bills/Chiefs AFCC game? Chiefs were very physical on the back end. Romo mentions it on nat'l television. The result? The next officiating crew starts looking for holding and illegal contact in the secondary and more flags get thrown. When you have been reminded that a team is physical and are looking for it, you see it more (both real and phantom penalties). EXAMPLE #2: NFL sees QB's getting hurt too much over the last couple of years... fans love offense and high scoring games? Fast forward to 2020... holding penalties down 50% for the season. I don't think the NFL is rigged or even trying to alter the outcome of games usually. But it happens because you have humans doing it who can be influenced by storylines, underdogs, star players, NFL memos, etc. |
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05-11-2021, 02:53 PM | #1041 | |
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It's almost like those players or organizations are demonstrably better at both following the guidance issued by the NFL, and also pointing out the violations of their opponents. Like, there are those who specifically study that guidance and take actions in order to ensure they get the outcome they want with the refs. I know, it's an insane conspiracy theory, but doesn't it seem that way sometimes? BTW who would have guessed that the thread re: Aaron Rodgers and the Packers would devolve into folks talking about Tom Brady and claiming the NFL is rigged because they don't always get the outcome they want? It's so... surprising |
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05-11-2021, 03:23 PM | #1045 |
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Every fan whines about officiating. We literally all think the refs are against our team.
One-sided officiating in the Super Bowl definitely took some wind out of our sails, but the truth is, we just sucked that day. Our offensive line, literally every one of those pukes, should have been embarrassed by that perfomrance. The amount of free rushers coming at Mahomes on every play was ****ing disgusting. When Pat actually had time and made a great throw, our dipshit receivers dropped it. On the other side, we let a team of geriatric has-been run us up the field consistently. If they didn't take the foot off the gas, they could have dropped 50 on our defense that night. Same shit with the Bills game. The officiating in that one was definitely in our favor, but at the same time, the Bills just didn't have the juice. They hardly touched Mahomes all night and on the other side of the ball, our guys were getting after Allen. You just aren't going to win a lot of playoff football games with that kind of disparity on both sides of the ball. |
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05-11-2021, 03:28 PM | #1046 |
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Speaking of, I love Chris Jones. He's a ton of fun and I'll be forever grateful for the work he put in Super Bowl 54, but that ****er has played in 10 career postseason games and currently has 0 sacks. In 6 of those games, we had a double digit lead at some point.
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05-11-2021, 03:38 PM | #1047 | |
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Even if what you're saying is true, you don't think every damn organization in the league isn't sending film to the league office week after week trying to get them to call things in their favor? So why does the league pick and choose who they want to listen to in this regard? What you're suggesting actually does nothing but lend credence to the theory many of us are throwing out; the league decides based on *whatever they see fit* what to call and when to call it, and on whom. It's actually not that radical of an idea when you stop throwing out buzzwords like 'rigged' and 'conspiracy.' It's so painstakingly obvious when it starts occurring within a game that I honestly can't believe people are still so defensive about it. |
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And of course the league decides based on whatever they see fit what to call, and when to call it. I remember a clip of Edelman arguing with a ref where he was warned his contact with a DB was drawing close to the line, he argued about how they had been specifically told that using a chopping motion to break the DB's contact is permissible, the ref pointed out he hadn't been called, and was just letting him know. Now, can we debate all year long about whether teams with strong influence in the competitive committee have undue influence on shaping the rules (either as written or as adjudicated) towards ways which benefit their teams? Or whether all players are equally well warned about when they draw close to the line? Or whether all refs are following guidance in the same way, or even consistently across a game? Sure, and I think most would agree bad officiating occurs and imbalances in both decision making and enforcement occur, though folks might argue over to what extent those imbalances exist or the extent of their impact. The line which is specifically being argued in this thread, is that the NFL specifically steers the outcome of individual games by telling the refs to call the game in an unfair way. And it doesn't matter whether you call it 'rigged' or whatever else. And that is total and complete BS. The courts have even ruled, multiple times, that the NFL has an obligation to its spectators to have rules which apply to both teams, and a legitimate football game. They've just also ruled that folks cheat, and folks make mistakes, but as long as the NFL has a process to deal with those things and follows its own guidelines they're fine. Anyway, call it what you want, but let's not pretend everyone here is arguing simply that the NFL cherry picks what key things they are focusing on over a season (with regular comm to the teams and refs regarding it) as well as during individual games (with also comm sent out to both teams and the refs), which affects the outcome of games. That's not at all what they're arguing, they're specifically arguing the outcomes are steered for supposed financial gain and to build desired narratives. |
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