***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[oaklandhater]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

this is a medical crisis, not a financial one.

The doctors and our medical Professionals should decide medical policy, not economists.

This REP!

[wazu]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

this is a medical crisis, not a financial one.

The doctors and our medical Professionals should decide medical policy, not economists.

Forcing people into their homes and ordering businesses to shutdown/go bankrupt is not medical policy.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by wazu

Forcing people into their homes and ordering businesses to shutdown/go bankrupt is not medical policy.

Never knew wazu was a 20-year-old spring breaker.

[oaklandhater]

Originally Posted by wazu

Forcing people into their homes and ordering businesses to shutdown/go bankrupt is not medical policy.

it is what other choice do we have that's what the rest of the western world is doing.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by wazu

Forcing people into their homes and ordering businesses to shutdown/go bankrupt is not medical policy.

who was forced? Again, this was voluntary. No fines. No arrests.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Never knew wazu was a 20-year-old spring breaker.

It's way better for business to close because everyone is dead.

[oaklandhater]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

who was forced? Again, this was voluntary. No fines. No arrests.

they are giving worker cards out here in the bay soon.

I had to get my pic taking they want me on call.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by eDave

It's way better for business to close because everyone is dead.

Oh FFS. This isn't the plague. It's not even ****ing close. And it's not worth sinking into the next Great Depression.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

I don’t disagree with this as people smarter than me seem to share this POV.

I would say that if we did do a 4-week lock down if the country and then followed with regional (at the neighborhood level) any outbreaks that may flare up after we would effectively eliminate this and be able to provide people with a date certain when we’ll come online.

Early on I said a “hold” on the country (shut stock market, prevent invoicing for the duration, etc) combined with paying everyone enough to get by for groceries/meds/etc then we would address a lot of the problems and would have prevented some of the economic destabilizing that we’ve seen. It would t mitigate it completely but I do think it would have helped, would have cost less, and given everyone some hope that this will end.

Unless the numbers change radically in the positive in the next seven days (15), it think it would be a horrible decision to open things back up. I agree with four total weeks, and re-evaluate.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by Donger

Unless the numbers change radically in the positive in the next seven days (15), it think it would be a horrible decision to open things back up. I agree with four total weeks, and re-evaluate.

Honestly, if it's 4 total weeks, and they draw that line and then say it'll be enough, then I could get on board. I think most could.

[oaklandhater]

Originally Posted by wazu

Oh FFS. This isn't the plague. It's not even ****ing close. And it's not worth sinking into the next Great Depression.

it is a plague WHY DO YOU THINK CHINA WAS WELDING PEOPLE INTO BUILDINGS.


this shit left untreated will kill millions and knock us into a great depression anyways.

[oaklandhater]

Originally Posted by wazu

Honestly, if it's 4 total weeks, and they draw that line and then say it'll be enough, then I could get on board. I think most could.

This italy is already showing signs of recovery.

I'm down with a 4-6 week shutdown then restarting things in waves.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by wazu

Oh FFS. This isn't the plague. It's not even ****ing close. And it's not worth sinking into the next Great Depression.

Right! Who cares if everyone was out right now that our hospitals would be overrun and 100,000s of people would die. No big deal.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by wazu

Honestly, if it's 4 total weeks, and they draw that line and then say it'll be enough, then I could get on board. I think most could.

If other countries which we're behind really are starting to improve, that's great news. But, again, I think it's crazy to say "we're going to end this in four weeks" without looking at what the numbers are doing at the end of four weeks.

[SuperBowl4]

Is anybody a fan of forced/mandatory Vaccinations?