***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Donger

Aren't you?

I am but not everybody is. no decision would have been popular with everybody but one was made and things are more productive without some people going against the grain.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by loochy

Well yeah, this distancing thing works. There's no way it couldn't. Now will it totally eliminate the virus? No, unless you put everyone in an individual prison...but it works somewhat.

I’ve been reading my ass off on a lot of studies coming out on this

It’s looking more and more like there’s a shit load of asymptomatic people out there with this. While that sucks in terms of spread, it would mean that we’re a lot farther along in terms of immunity than we thought

It would also mean it may not be THAT much worse than the flu, but it being novel and hitting us all at once it’s gonna clog up hospitals

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Hospital doctors are apparently writing prescriptions for their families and using up the supply. Which sucks because it's needed for lupus patients. I know a guy who works in a hospital pharmacy - he says it's all over their forums. Most of them are telling the doctors to get bent.

My wife hasn't gotten me any , should I take that as a sign.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Donger

Italy had 1,000 fewer cases today than the previous day.

So did Spain.

Germany had 50% fewer for two days running.

how far are we away from those countries on the curve? Two weeks behind? One? You know? Is there a consensus?

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by MIAdragon

Idiots, we don’t want you here.

Yeah we had a bunch of nimrods from Washington state show up here when their state blew up. It's like turn your ass around and get the **** out.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Bwana

Yeah we had an bunch of nimrods from Washington state show up here when their state blew up. It's like turn your ass around and get the **** out.

they probably stand out like a sore thumb in your area.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

how far are we away from those countries on the curve? Two weeks behind? One? You know? Is there a consensus?

Based on significant new case growth?

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Originally Posted by Donger

Italy had 1,000 fewer cases today than the previous day.

So did Spain.

Germany had 50% fewer for two days running.

Thank you!

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by loochy

He was tested though, and he was negative. I think he probably realized the error of his ways since then (even though he would never admit it)

But they asked him what it was like and I swear he had no idea. You'd think Trump would go on and on about having a swab jammed up into his brain.

Although I don't know if the WH doctor would go that far to lie to the public, so I guess he got tested. Maybe rich people have an easier test.

But anyway those guys literally haven't changed their behavior one bit. They shake hands, they cram in next to each other, they touch everything including the freaking microphone. There's video on CSPAN yesterday of Mnuching blowing his nose into a handkerchief then touching everyone and everything around him. They just can't seem to adjust. Rand Paul used the gym and swam in the Congressional pool while waiting for his test to come back.

They are testing for fever but that's not going to work for asymptomatic spread.

[ChiliConCarnage]

Originally Posted by Donger

Italy had 1,000 fewer cases today than the previous day.

So did Spain.

Germany had 50% fewer for two days running.

That seems promising

[KC Dan]

Originally Posted by Bwana

Yeah we had a bunch of nimrods from Washington state show up here when their state blew up. It's like turn your ass around and get the **** out.

Damn! And, I thought of coming to visit you....harsh, man, harsh...




















actually, not thinking of because I know what you mean. The northern part of our state is 100% dysfunctional idiots and the southern part is far to close to whach job Portland...

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by O.city

I’ve been reading my ass off on a lot of studies coming out on this

It’s looking more and more like there’s a shit load of asymptomatic people out there with this. While that sucks in terms of spread, it would mean that we’re a lot farther along in terms of immunity than we thought

It would also mean it may not be THAT much worse than the flu, but it being novel and hitting us all at once it’s gonna clog up hospitals

Kind of what I have been saying (per my opinion and what I have read) for a while now.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by tk13

To be fair Trump and Pence have been pushing their 15 day plan hard for a week now. Problem is we haven't taken it that seriously.

Exactly right

[Donger]

Originally Posted by O.city

I’ve been reading my ass off on a lot of studies coming out on this

It’s looking more and more like there’s a shit load of asymptomatic people out there with this. While that sucks in terms of spread, it would mean that we’re a lot farther along in terms of immunity than we thought

It would also mean it may not be THAT much worse than the flu, but it being novel and hitting us all at once it’s gonna clog up hospitals

Not much worse than influenza in what regard?

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by O.city

I’ve been reading my ass off on a lot of studies coming out on this

It’s looking more and more like there’s a shit load of asymptomatic people out there with this. While that sucks in terms of spread, it would mean that we’re a lot farther along in terms of immunity than we thought

It would also mean it may not be THAT much worse than the flu, but it being novel and hitting us all at once it’s gonna clog up hospitals

We need to get up to like 60% though and we're not close to that yet.

I've been trying to find a model that shows what the curve looks like if say we go through this again in the fall but 10% or 20% have herd immunity. Maybe it's flatter. But I haven't found anything yet.

We should all have masks and be better at social distancing by then at least.