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Old 11-23-2021, 12:45 PM  
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*** 2022 Mock Draft Megathread ***

Got a mock? Pop it in this thread. Include a picture if you want. Explain your reasoning if you want. Talk about your crushes... if you want.

See a good "pro" mock? Link it up in here and I'll add it to the OP.

Duncan's latest mock

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The Draft Network This mock seems to be the most accurate site right now, so I go with this one. I don't pay for it, so no trades here. The plan is for this to be my last mock. I'm going to do it differently, though. I'm running 3 scenarios, and eschewing the 7th round picks, which I would use on a big swings on athleticism and potential. Lotto tickets. James Houston IV is one of them. Note: I used PFF to simulate the trade action, then manually backed up in the 2 "trade" drafts to make selections. Laborious, but gives you best of both worlds, IMO. I think PFF's trade tool is the best, but its board is whack.

Draft slot: 29

Scenario 1: The Chiefs sit pat with their picks and don't make any moves at all. Seems the least likely, but hey...
1.29 | George Karlaftis, DE, Purdue.
1.30 | Boye Mafe, DE, Minnesota.
2.50 | George Pickens, WR, Georgia.
2.62 | Travis Jones, DT, UConn.
3.94 | Zyon McCollum, CB, Sam Houston State.
3.103(Comp for Poles) | Troy Andersen, LB, Montana State.
4.121 | Coby Bryant, CB, Cincinnati.
4.135 | Velus Jones, Jr., Tennessee

Scenario 1 Debrief:
So, sitting and waiting to see what comes to me was pretty successful here. The Chiefs FLOOD the defensive line with reinforcements, including at least 1 ready-made starter and two guys who should - at minimum - be in 50/50 rotations at their spots by year end. The Chiefs still get a big outside WR with tantalizing potential. They add some crazy athletic small-school guys, and a mid-round corner who just fits in the system, and a dynamo return man who might be more at WR.

This looks pretty good. Though I have a hard time believing Karlaftis just falls to 29...

Scenario 2: The Chiefs get aggressive and trade up. But for what? In this case, let's go wide receiver. In this run, Kansas City trades picks 29, 62, and a 2023 3rd to Houston for pick 13 and a 2023 4th, because they ARE as obsessed with a WR as people expect and are aggressive to go get him when the board falls right. They then trade BACK from 30 to 35 with the Jets, also including pick 94 in order to get 69 back. Then, last but not least, KC gets aggressive one more time and moves 103 and 121 for 85 from New England, leaving the Chiefs with 6 picks in the first four rounds.
1.13 | Jameson Williams, WR, Alabama.
2.35 | Cam Thomas, DE, San Diego State.
2.50 | Jalen Pitre, S, Baylor.
3.69 | Zachary Carter, DT, Florida.
3.85 | Sam Williams, DE, Ole Miss.
4.135 | Jaylen Watson, CB, Washington State

Scenario 2 Debrief:
I'm not saying KC should do this or even that I think they will (more on that in a few minutes). I'm just saying, man, what will it look like if the Chiefs get aggressive a few times AND are doing the big move for a WR? In this scenario, KC obviously believes Williams is a game-changer at the NFL level and is taking a small 2022 hit to make 2023+ better. The defensive line still gets reinforced, but the reinforcements are all a shade worse than the sit-pat draft option. If you like Kingsley Enagbare or Josh PAscal more than Thomas, I get it and wouldn't quibble at one of those guys instead. Logan Hall, too. Pitre is such a screaming perfect fit for KC's D. Carter is a great physical talent you can dream about coaching up. Williams' utility is known and gives them a true RE option to pair against their higher-drafted bigger guy. Watson is a developmental corner.

I don't love it. I think Pitre makes the secondary a lot better and makes it easier to move on from Thornhill after 22. They have improved the defensive rotation, though one of the DEs would need to outperform expectations in Year 1 to get it to the same level as Scenario 1. In all, giving up the 2 extra selections in the top 4 rounds hurts the depth you can build, but I think it's more like what KC will do.

Scenario 3: Same movements as #2
1.13 | Jermaine Johnson II, DE, Florida State.
2.35 | Christian Watson, WR, North Dakota State.
2.50 | Sam Williams, DE, Ole Miss.
3.69 | Bryan Cook, S, Cincinnati.
3.85 | Martin Emerson, CB, Miss. State.
4.135 | Braxton Jones, T, Southern Utah

Scenario 3 Debrief:
This is the type of situation where I see KC paying the price to move up... if Johnson falls this far, I'd be shocked if KC isn't aggressively moving up. With this run, I take a risky but high upside WR in Watson (but you could sub in Pickens or Jahan Dotson or Tolbert or Metchie or Skyy Moore or really any of those tier 2 guys here if you prefer). The secondary reinforcements aren't flashy but are good fits.

In this one, I think the plan has to become adding either another safety or corner in free agency before the season. Ideally, it's someone who can handle the slot and let Sneed thriver on the outside. The DL gets a major boost and some potential star power in Johnson and Williams, and the OL gets another T option and potential long-term starter to develop.

Having completed the exercise and looking at the scenariors, I like the first one the most. But it really does come down to how the board breaks.

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Old 04-15-2022, 09:05 PM   #976
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EVERYONE IS GOING IN THE FIRST ROUND!!!!!!!!

I mean, if Pickens goes before the Chiefs, I'll be surprised.

But even if he does, that doesn't mean you panic and take Skyy Moore at that spot.
And they did that with the mock simulator, so they were literally drafting with more than 28 players off the board.
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Old 04-15-2022, 09:19 PM   #977
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Mafe's age is being overblown. He's not 24 yet.

Here's a list of some higher DEs and their birthdays. If you don't like Mafe for age then you don't like any of them:

B. Mafe - Nov 30 1998
J. Johnson - Jan 7 1999
A. Ebiketie - Jan 24 1999
S. Williams - Mar 31 1999
M. Sanders - Jul 12 1998
D. Robinson - Jul 2 1998
I. Thomas - Dec 3 1998
A. Barno - Apr 26 1999
C. Allen - Aug 11 1998
M. Clemons - Aug 18 1997
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Old 04-16-2022, 07:27 AM   #978
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Those are some key facts to consider. Great context, crow!
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Old 04-16-2022, 07:36 AM   #979
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Mafe's age is being overblown. He's not 24 yet.

Here's a list of some higher DEs and their birthdays. If you don't like Mafe for age then you don't like any of them:

B. Mafe - Nov 30 1998
J. Johnson - Jan 7 1999
A. Ebiketie - Jan 24 1999
S. Williams - Mar 31 1999
M. Sanders - Jul 12 1998
D. Robinson - Jul 2 1998
I. Thomas - Dec 3 1998
A. Barno - Apr 26 1999
C. Allen - Aug 11 1998
M. Clemons - Aug 18 1997
I think the point is not the age, it's the age combined with the lack of refinement/production. If Mafe played like J. Johnson nobodies talking about his age, but if he's taking another year or so to get to approaching that level, he's obviously a different prospect.
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Old 04-16-2022, 12:51 PM   #980
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I think the point is not the age, it's the age combined with the lack of refinement/production. If Mafe played like J. Johnson nobodies talking about his age, but if he's taking another year or so to get to approaching that level, he's obviously a different prospect.
Agreed. Age is context, not absolute. For example:

Mafe, 23, has been playing football his whole life and progress has been there, but relatively slow.

Ebikitie, 23, played football one year in high school before going to the collegiate level, grew rapidly as a rusher.

Clearly there is more context there (quality of coaching, work ethic, mental development) but we draftabulators can only work with what we got.
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Old 04-16-2022, 02:21 PM   #981
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I think the point is not the age, it's the age combined with the lack of refinement/production. If Mafe played like J. Johnson nobodies talking about his age, but if he's taking another year or so to get to approaching that level, he's obviously a different prospect.
I agree but there have been a lot of comments about Mafe's age alone and that doesn't make or break him for me. I like him enough but I'm not sure if I like him in 1. He doesn't have bad production and he has shown growth every single year. They dropped him in coverage more than they should have at MN. What he may have lacked was as good of coaching as some other guys had. We saw him do really well, really quickly at the Senior Bowl. No, he's not as good as Johnson, who is going in the top 15, but he's a lot better than most of the other guys I put in that list. I'd really like him at 50 but don't know if he gets there.
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Old 04-16-2022, 04:28 PM   #982
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I agree but there have been a lot of comments about Mafe's age alone and that doesn't make or break him for me. I like him enough but I'm not sure if I like him in 1. He doesn't have bad production and he has shown growth every single year. They dropped him in coverage more than they should have at MN. What he may have lacked was as good of coaching as some other guys had. We saw him do really well, really quickly at the Senior Bowl. No, he's not as good as Johnson, who is going in the top 15, but he's a lot better than most of the other guys I put in that list. I'd really like him at 50 but don't know if he gets there.
Think I agree with all of this. It looks like he'll need some work against the run as well, but he's definitely ahead of most of those others for me too.
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Very solid. Would prefer x2 DE rather than DT, but not bad at all.
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I’m not really nuts about it. I’ve fallen off Watson and really hate the idea of drafting Woolen at 50.
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I’m not really nuts about it. I’ve fallen off Watson and really hate the idea of drafting Woolen at 50.
Watson isn’t in the mock.
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Old 04-16-2022, 09:19 PM   #988
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I’m not really nuts about it. I’ve fallen off Watson and really hate the idea of drafting Woolen at 50.
What? That would put us deep at WR & DT with a damn good EDGE rusher.
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Old 04-16-2022, 09:36 PM   #989
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29.

George Karlaftis
EDGE
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Boye Mafe
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DeMarvin Leal
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Jalen Tolbert
WR
94.

Cade Otton
TE
103.

Zyon McCollum
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Velus Jones Jr.
WR
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JT Woods
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Loved how this one turned out.
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Old 04-16-2022, 11:15 PM   #990
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Watson isn’t in the mock.
I meant Dotson.

It’s mostly that I don’t want to spend that pick on Woolen. Sure he’s huge and fast, but there’s more to CB than that and I just don’t trust it enough at that pick.
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