***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

If they’re doubling every 2 days that will end up at 7500-ish today.

I also understand that they’re testing more and will capture more but the protocol for testing still limits it to sick patients unless I’m mistaken.

I thought they were changing the philosophy on testing only doing it if it would change the treatment.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

Behind a paywall, can you summerize or quote?

No it is interactive.


If anyone wants to get beyond a paywall at least temporarily you can sign up using a fake\temp email.


https://temp-mail.org/en/

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I thought they were changing the philosophy on testing only doing it if it would change the treatment.

Yes:

Health officials in New York City and Los Angeles County are signaling a change in local strategy when it comes to coronavirus testing, recommending that doctors avoid testing patients except in cases where a test result would significantly change the course of treatment.

A news release from the Los Angeles Department of Public Health this week advised doctors not to test those experiencing only mild respiratory symptoms unless “a diagnostic result will change clinical management or inform public health response.”

The recommendation reflects a "shifting from a strategy of case containment to slowing disease transmission and averting excess morbidity and mortality," according to the statement.

At the same time, NY is now testing at a higher rate per capita than ROK, apparently.

[Hammock Parties]

Reported US coronavirus cases via @CNN:

3/1: 89
3/2: 105
3/3: 125
3/4: 159
3/5: 227
3/6: 331
3/7: 444
3/8: 564
3/9: 728
3/10: 1,000
3/11: 1,267
3/12: 1,645
3/13: 2,204
3/14: 2,826
3/15: 3,505
3/16: 4,466
3/17: 6,135
3/18: 8,760
3/19: 13,229
3/20: 18,763
3/21: 25,740
Now: 32,502

— Ryan Struyk (@ryanstruyk) March 23, 2020

Right now: 38,739

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by Donger

New York showing another 5,000 new cases today so far.

I'm constantly refreshing for an update today. None yet. https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/co...positive-cases

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Mecca

What I've seen from that group as I have kids that age....is this.

Some of them think it's all bullshit.
A lot of them just don't care and think this is ****ing up their lives.
A few are freaked out because they have anxiety problems.

hes just hanging out with the parents playing video games with his buddies. Helping the parents with some landscaping improvements and preparing stuff for his business when this over. Some of his friends went to the beach and bars before they closed down here. He also thinks it’s an overblown media thing but, just to be sure he’s not wrong.....erring on the side of caution.

Originally Posted by R Clark

Whip that ass

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Yeah right. You gonna bend those 18 to 24 year olds across your knee.

Sent from my SM-G973U1 using Tapatalk

never spanked him even once. Ever.

[The Iron Chief]

Nobody wants the mandatory Nation wide lock down of course.
Our Wallets don't our sanity doesn't either that is for sure.
But is there any other current method that will work? Probably not.
China somehow pulled it off & are coming out of the other side of the tunnel.
Pulled it off with guns aimed at peoples heads in some cases but hey they pulled it off.

Using my house as an example I'll tell you how the past few weeks went.

Son(20) gets the virus in New Rochelle.
Son gets over virus comes home to my house to escape that insanity.
He tries to self quarantine with possibly a week left of being contagious but lets just say there were too many leaks.
Eventually we know its more our whole family(4 of us) in quarantine in our house.
At this point we limited ourselves to grocery store runs...no my son did not go.
But there is a leak right? If he had it and were starting we can pass it to people in line etc..
Then as I've said I have it.
Now I no longer go in public at all either.
At this point my wife makes a much bigger grocery run knowing it will no longer be ok for her to go either even if she doesn't have it she could be passing it around. Another leak.
At this point we are hunkered down in the house hoping we wont even need a store run til the virus runs its course with me.
And I've got to say I've been much much sicker before.
The Temptation to go out and about is strong.
And at this time not All retail was shutdown.
But we persisted thru another week.
Then My sons girlfriend walks in our front door & My wife and I are like you really shouldn't be here.
Shes a Smart girl but 20.. yeah I know it'll be ok I promise.
We mentioned your grandmothers at your house a lot no?
True she says she'll just keep her distance from me.
We tried to explain...kids sigh..we let her stay for a short time then gave her the boot.
Big leak there right?
So now I'm symptom free with a few days left before I'm safely non contagious.
With the county pretty much shut down at this point its not so tempting to go in public for all of us.
My wife and youngest have not gotten yet.

I put in those leaks to show how easily it is to screw up.

But if we all sit tight..you get sick in your own little hub...you get over it in your own little hub...you get past the contagious period in your own little hub.
If a member of your family gets seriously ill then you go to hospital or call for help.

I'm guessing a family of 4 like us can get it keep it & get over it in 6 weeks of diligent lock down. Minus the Leaks....sigh

And yes 6 weeks ago I was in the camp of screw that its never going to come to that.
Its been estimated now that 60% to 80% of NYS will get the virus.
That is incredible.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Reported US coronavirus cases via @CNN:

3/1: 89
3/2: 105
3/3: 125
3/4: 159
3/5: 227
3/6: 331
3/7: 444
3/8: 564
3/9: 728
3/10: 1,000
3/11: 1,267
3/12: 1,645
3/13: 2,204
3/14: 2,826
3/15: 3,505
3/16: 4,466
3/17: 6,135
3/18: 8,760
3/19: 13,229
3/20: 18,763
3/21: 25,740
Now: 32,502

— Ryan Struyk (@ryanstruyk) March 23, 2020

Right now: 38,739

It is very possible that there were more people who had COVID-19 earlier in the month, but because the testing was not as widespread and because they had minimal or no symptoms they didn't know they had it.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Reported US coronavirus cases via @CNN:

3/1: 89
3/2: 105
3/3: 125
3/4: 159
3/5: 227
3/6: 331
3/7: 444
3/8: 564
3/9: 728
3/10: 1,000
3/11: 1,267
3/12: 1,645
3/13: 2,204
3/14: 2,826
3/15: 3,505
3/16: 4,466
3/17: 6,135
3/18: 8,760
3/19: 13,229
3/20: 18,763
3/21: 25,740
Now: 32,502

— Ryan Struyk (@ryanstruyk) March 23, 2020

Right now: 38,739

Down to 1.1% mortality rate on known cases if that accurate. Hopefully it keeps on dropping.

[SuperBowl4]

somebody said that if you need to get tested join the NBA or become a celebrity.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

I'm constantly refreshing for an update today. None yet. https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/co...positive-cases

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

I'm wary of this site after yesterday, but we did have 9,000 new cases yesterday nationally.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Donger

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

I'm wary of this site after yesterday, but we did have 9,000 new cases yesterday nationally.

Washington State seems to have leveled off.

[dirk digler]

I wish the weather wasn't cold and rainy so I could go outside. I have yard work I could do.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by SuperBowl4

somebody said that if you need to get tested join the NBA or become a celebrity.

Easier than that.. cough in the face of a professional athlete or celebrity and then wait for the test results.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by The Iron Chief

Nobody wants the mandatory Nation wide lock down of course.
Our Wallets don't our sanity doesn't either that is for sure.
But is there any other current method that will work? Probably not.
China somehow pulled it off & are coming out of the other side of the tunnel.
Pulled it off with guns aimed at peoples heads in some cases but hey they pulled it off.

Using my house as an example I'll tell you how the past few weeks went.

Son(20) gets the virus in New Rochelle.
Son gets over virus comes home to my house to escape that insanity.
He tries to self quarantine with possibly a week left of being contagious but lets just say there were too many leaks.
Eventually we know its more our whole family(4 of us) in quarantine in our house.
At this point we limited ourselves to grocery store runs...no my son did not go.
But there is a leak right? If he had it and were starting we can pass it to people in line etc..
Then as I've said I have it.
Now I no longer go in public at all either.
At this point my wife makes a much bigger grocery run knowing it will no longer be ok for her to go either even if she doesn't have it she could be passing it around. Another leak.
At this point we are hunkered down in the house hoping we wont even need a store run til the virus runs its course with me.
And I've got to say I've been much much sicker before.
The Temptation to go out and about is strong.
And at this time not All retail was shutdown.
But we persisted thru another week.
Then My sons girlfriend walks in our front door & My wife and I are like you really shouldn't be here.
Shes a Smart girl but 20.. yeah I know it'll be ok I promise.
We mentioned your grandmothers at your house a lot no?
True she says she'll just keep her distance from me.
We tried to explain...kids sigh..we let her stay for a short time then gave her the boot.
Big leak there right?
So now I'm symptom free with a few days left before I'm safely non contagious.
With the county pretty much shut down at this point its not so tempting to go in public for all of us.
My wife and youngest have not gotten yet.

I put in those leaks to show how easily it is to screw up.

But if we all sit tight..you get sick in your own little hub...you get over it in your own little hub...you get past the contagious period in your own little hub.
If a member of your family gets seriously ill then you go to hospital or call for help.

I'm guessing a family of 4 like us can get it keep it & get over it in 6 weeks of diligent lock down. Minus the Leaks....sigh

And yes 6 weeks ago I was in the camp of screw that its never going to come to that.
Its been estimated now that 60% to 80% of NYS will get the virus.
That is incredible.

Thanks for sharing this Iron Chief glad you did make it through it and lived to tell the tail. How was your respiratory did you have any issues ? That's my biggest concern of it.