***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Donger]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Unfortunately, that's nothing compared to where I live. The lines here have been more than a mile long and there are long lines outside of supermarkets.

Is it any different up north (e.g., Bakersfield) or east (e.g., Palm Springs/Coachella)?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

i'm sure the midwest will get there

I really hope that it doesn't

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Donger

Is it any different up north (e.g., Bakersfield) or east (e.g., Palm Springs/Coachella)?

I honestly don't know. I have a friend that owns a rental property in Palm Springs and it's been all but shut down. He took a major hit when Coachella was cancelled and hasn't been out there since.

Bakersfield might as well be Dallas in terms of me knowing anything about their situation but I've checked in with people further inland and they it's very similar to what we're seeing here in Hollywood.

I have a close friend up in Porter Ranch/Valencia area and it's the same as here, although some of the Halal markets have meat, something I can't really find anywhere here.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

i weep for the coasts

i'm sure the midwest will get there

Population density suggests that it wont (except for a few choice areas, of course)

[Donger]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I honestly don't know. I have a friend that owns a rental property in Palm Springs and it's been all but shut down. He took a major hit when Coachella was cancelled and hasn't been out there since.

Bakersfield might as well be Dallas in terms of me knowing anything about their situation but I've checked in with people further inland and they it's very similar to what we're seeing here in Hollywood.

I have a close friend up in Porter Ranch/Valencia area and it's the same as here, although some of the Halal markets have meat, something I can't really find anywhere here.

Well, logic would have said that the farther you get away from high density populations, the better your chances. Now, who knows. Heck, I'd drive to El Centro with a few coolers.

[Easy 6]

Man I'd HATE being crammed into a major coastal metro like LA right now, gives me the heebies just imagining it... stay safe and batten down the hatches, Dane

[nychief]

Originally Posted by KChiefs1

How many states have issued “Stay at Home” orders?

New York
California
Washington

Has anymore been added by Governor’s?

Ohio and Illinois.

[Donger]

Louisiana sees a jump of 258 cases.

[displacedinMN]

Originally Posted by Donger

Is it any different up north (e.g., Bakersfield) or east (e.g., Palm Springs/Coachella)?

Father in Law is in Indio (near Palm Springs)
Said the stores are pretty bare. Some lines.

We keep telling him not to go out. Let his son do that.
They have houses in the same development.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Man I'd HATE being crammed into a major coastal metro like LA right now, gives me the heebies just imagining it... stay safe and batten down the hatches, Dane

Thanks, Brother! I've gone out three times in the past 10 days and really outside of TP and more hamburger, we should be good for the better part of a month.

I'll follow that up with saying that we do have about 8 pounds of ground turkey, 6 pound of bacon and 4+ pounds of chicken breasts, although I was out at 5 different stores yesterday and forgot to get egg whites for myself.

I've been so caught up in finding items for my children and wife that I've totally forgotten about myself, so I'll need to go out again late this week.

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Man I'd HATE being crammed into a major coastal metro like LA right now, gives me the heebies just imagining it... stay safe and batten down the hatches, Dane

I would hate being there during healthy times. Was there last June on vacation and it is waaaay too crowded.

[stevieray]

rice and beans

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

More relevant is how many people will have a severe case of COVID-19 that will require hospitalization.

Whatever the infected rate is * 20% will require a hospital bed.

Whatever that number is that is hospitalized * 25% will require a ventilator.

Whatever that number is that requires life support - number of ventilators * 90% = Deaths without ventilators

Number of ventilated patients * 20% = Deaths on ventilators

Deaths without ventilators + deaths with ventilators = Total Deaths

That’s why we have to reduce the number of times this doubles so after the next 10 days (because those numbers are “baked in” to the numbers given transmissions in the early days of the lockdown and cases that had not yet manifested symptoms but were infected) or it gets out of control quickly. There’s nothing that can be done — absent some kind of treatment — that can be done to reduce the doubling in the first couple weeks.

That’s why the huge jump in NYC is alarming and portends thousands of deaths if more ventilators can’t be found.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Philadelphia said they wouldn’t be locking anyone up and now this.

Now-deleted video uploaded on Instagram this week by user “jaydothemost” purports to show a group of youths in Philadelphia sucker-punching and robbing an individual who appears to be of East Asian descent. Contact @PhillyPolice if you have information. pic.twitter.com/uqo1WC1XIH

— Andy Ngo (@MrAndyNgo) March 21, 2020

[FloridaMan88]

Is it still "social distancing" if you are separated by boat?

Asking for a friend.