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Sauntering Vaguely Downwards
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Columbia, Mo
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Skenes is gonna be real good. I mean, until a 'performance optimizer' gets ahold of him, tweaks his mechanics to make him throw 102 and then he breaks down the same as every other pitcher in the game right now. Getting awfully bummed out by the number of young pitchers that get turned to hamburger out there. |
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#917 |
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Join Date: Feb 2013
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The velocity and spin rate that the teams are looking for is destroying arms. The teams don't care because they'll just bring up the next guy plus it keeps salaries down because they aren't going to pay guys with an arm that's shot. I'm surprised that the union hasn't done more to protect the players and their earning potential.
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#918 | |
The Insider
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Lake of the Ozarks
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#919 | |
Sauntering Vaguely Downwards
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Columbia, Mo
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He came into camp throwing 101 and everyone was jerking themselves off. And the MOMENT I saw him pitch, I knew he was doomed. Because I, a stupid layperson, could see that he was shoulder-loading. Said it on this very board. I said "man, the Cardinals have him late off so he can add velocity and they've brought his arm slot down (wrecked his curve) and it's going to absolutely destroy him..." He goes out there smoking minor leaguers and the Cardinals are furiously patting themselves on the back. And again, I'm just sitting here saying "You guys have absolutely ****ed this up. Best pitching prospect we've had in a decade and he's a ticking timebomb..." He was. He thrown 145 big league innings in 5 years, hasn't pitched since 2021 and is pretty much out of the sport by 29. And had they just let him live at 96/97 with that big curveball and his change he'd have been no worse than a #2 starter for a decade. I saw this trend coming when the Cardinals were so damn proud of themselves for doing it with Reyes almost a decade ago. If you can take a guy that throws 91 and get him to 95 - I get it. You've taken a AAAA guy and made him a big leaguer, if only for a few years. But when teams are taking these blue chip arms that naturally throw in the mid-high 90s and then work them over to get to 100+ it's just asinine to me. These guys were going to be really good AND durable. And you've simply traded all possibility for a healthy career for 3 good years of increased velocity. Hate hate hate hate the way truly good young pitching is handled these days. A guy like Shane Baz, a 3-pitch guy with pristine fastball command, should've been developed to work at 94/95 using command and movement to get outs. He had MORE than enough stuff to be great doing that. But the Rays cranked him up to 11 and immediately broke him. EDIT: Here it is from May of 2015:
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It's really not hard to find velocity - we've known how to do it for awhile. Teams have just decided they don't give a good god damn about the long-term viability of these arms anymore and then bemoan how many of these kids are breaking down. It's crocodile tear bullshit. Last edited by DJ's left nut; 05-17-2024 at 03:17 PM.. |
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#920 | |
Sauntering Vaguely Downwards
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Columbia, Mo
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The most amazing thing the union ever did was convince teams that arm injuries are inevitable. Teams sign these pitchers to 5 year deals knowing at LEAST one of them is a write-off. They aren't signing these guys to these contracts expecting health over the life of them. They're just amortizing the lost season over the life of the deal. Like I said - all crocodile tears. Teams don't care about arm health. They publicly say they do and they're looking for ways to keep their guys healthy - they don't. They KNOW how to make guys a hell of a lot healthier than they are. They simply don't bother. And because everyone breaks down, even the agents don't care much. Hell, a Tommy John surgery is almost a selling point. "Hey, he had his TJ surgery 2 seasons ago - you probably have 4 good years on that elbow until it lets go again..." It's just gross. |
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#921 | |
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Join Date: Oct 2010
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#922 |
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Join Date: Oct 2010
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What do you know. I cursed BWJ. ****ing .371 OPS over his last 7 games.
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#923 |
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Join Date: Feb 2013
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#924 |
George Brett shit his pants
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: At the Bellagio
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Somebody test Salvy for HGH lol
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#925 |
Inmem 2.0
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: My house
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#926 | |
Keep Camp Home!
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: St Joe MO
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#927 | |
I'll **** anything that moves!
Join Date: Jan 2022
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#928 |
The Insider
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Lake of the Ozarks
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Royals DFA Sauer
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#929 |
In Search of a Life
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Kansas
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#930 | |
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Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: NYC
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I think the problem there...is what are the other options. Waters? Sure. Cross isn't ready yet. We'll be in the market for an OF bat no matter what...but it's slim pickings right now. |
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