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Reerun_KC · 12-07-2014, 06:32 PM

CP loves to treat the symptom while at times ignoring the disease.

Since everyone wants to be cool and bash the lame ass QB we have, we might want to look just a little deeper and discuss the HC that hand selected him to be the QB of this team.

We aren't going anywhere with Reid's preparations and game plans. His play calling is pathetic and predictable. His tendency's to remove the WRs from the game plan is inexcusable.

Until we get rid of Reid, we are stuck with Smith...

Sure-Oz · 12-07-2014, 10:12 PM

I think Reid is a good coach....lacking talent on this team esp offensively

FloridaMan88 · 12-07-2014, 10:29 PM

Andy Reid was dealt a terrible hand by John Dorsey's awful offseason.

John Dorsey failed to draft a single WR from the 2014 NFL Draft which already has the most productive collective WR draft class in NFL history.

That could set the Chiefs back several years.

Discuss Thrower · 12-07-2014, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Andy Reid was dealt a terrible hand by John Dorsey's awful offseason.

John Dorsey failed to draft a single WR from the 2014 NFL Draft which already has the most productive collective WR draft class in NFL history.

That could set the Chiefs back several years.

Don't look at how the 2013 Seahawks were constructed...

**Dave Lane** · 12-07-2014, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

I'll take Reid as long as we can find a QB that isn't afraid to go down the field.

Or has to have 2 definitions of open. NFL open and Alex Smith open.

FloridaMan88 · 12-07-2014, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Don't look at how the 2013 Seahawks were constructed...

Seattle's WR's caught 17 TD passes last year.

The Chiefs WR's have zero through 13 games.

Discuss Thrower · 12-07-2014, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Seattle's WR's caught 17 TD passes last year.

The Chiefs WR's have zero through 13 games.

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Best case scenario is something like the Seahawks whose core players were mostly drafted from 2010-2012 for a win in 2013.

Visually, and including second stringers and UDFAs:

2010: Golden Tate, Russel Okung, Kam Chancellor, Earl Thomas, Walter Thurmond Lemuel Jeanpierre
2011: KJ Wright, Richard Sherman, Malcolm Smith, James Carpenter, Byron Maxwell Doug Baldwin
2012: Russell Wilson, JR Sweezy, Bobby Wagner, Bruce Irvin, Robert Turbin Jermaine Kearse, DeShawn Shead

11 starters.

Thomas and Chancellor made the Pro Bowl in their second season in '11 with Thomas being joined by Okung and Wilson in '12.

Extrapolating that out for KC's sake, but saying 2016 is the payoff year.

2012: Poe, Allen, Stephenson, Gray, Hemingway
2013: Fisher, Kelce, Davis, Nico Johnson, Commings, Kush, Catapano (Cooper, off the waiver wire) Hammond, Dem. Harris, Josh Martin
2014: Ford, Gaines, D'AT, Murray, Fulton, Duvernay-Tardif Santos, Al Wilson,

Poe made the PB in his second year.. And there isn't anyone from the '13 draft class that looks like they're far enough along to warrant that kind of consideration.

Of course this is comparing a world champion team in '13 in Seattle to a backed-in to the postseason with a wildcard Kansas City. Recognizing the 'hawks roster doesn't prove it's impossible for KC to win anything.

My point being is that a team that won the SB recently did it through a solid slate of drafting and depth UDFA pickups. Three of their 2010 picks were starters and one was a second stringer at the end of 2011. Then it was four 2010 picks starting with two backups joined by three 2011 picks on the starting along with two backups.

Poe and (at the moment) Allen are the only starters picked from 2012, Fisher and Cooper are the only '13 picks starting. That's 2 or 3 starters, 4 if you include Allen. Next year, there might only be three more guys from 2013 cracking the starting lineup in Kelce, Kush or Hammond. That's 6-7 guys acquired from '12 and '13 coming in as starters: and only one of them is at the level of a very good player in Poe.

Take that into consideration and Dorsey will need to have ALL of the guys acquired in '14 to become above average stars to duplicate the success the Seahawks had in 2013 for a Super Bowl run in 2015. Is that probable? No, and that's not a pessimistic thing to say.

Then you look to 2016, which would mean the guys from '14 are well established veterans who garner pro bowl consideration and the guys drafted in 2015 are developing into role players with some starters mixed in. Will that net a championship? Unlikely, unless there are two or three guys from the '15 draft who flash pro bowl level talent after less than two seasons in the league, so you look to the next season then.

So, really, 2017 might be when we can start to think a championship is based somewhat in reality. My issue with this is that it relies heavily on the guys drafted four months ago being top-flight league talent.. And while it's certainly possible, it would mean KC has a guy as good or better than Houston at OLB in Dee Ford, a Sproles-like playmaker in D'AT, a very good corner in Gaines, Murray as the starting QB, Albert Wilson as a lights-out #2 receiver and Fulton and DVT as excellent interior linemen with Santos being a clutch kicker. That's a LOOOOOOONG list of what-ifs.

Thus logically the Chiefs, assuming they are going to win anything, have yet to draft the guys who will be the foundation capable of earning a Lombardi. That means KC is a year away from beginning to lay that foundation, and ONLY if Dorsey proves to be a better evaluator of talent and a GM savvy enough to sign FAs and re-sign guys who are key more so than what he's demonstrated so far.

Psyko Tek · 12-07-2014, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

It was the Oakland game that finally drove the nail in the coffin for Reerun...

I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt with the lack of talent on this roster. But when he had 10 days to prepare for Denver and came out and turned Arrowhead into Brokeback Arrowhead, it was time to start saying something about it here.

Its easy to blast Smith, you learn to blame the QB in CP 101 for everything...

But its time that Reid is held accountable.

he cannot prep fpor the raiders or broncos, and todasy we got ref ****ed, but nothing special in the play calling I was telling the people next to me what would be called nad , none of it worked...

GloryDayz · 12-07-2014, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

I think Reid is a good coach....lacking talent on this team esp offensively

Don't live in the past, he's not what he once was. As for talent, yes he's dealing with very little of it below and above him.

GloryDayz · 12-07-2014, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Andy Reid was dealt a terrible hand by John Dorsey's awful offseason.

John Dorsey failed to draft a single WR from the 2014 NFL Draft which already has the most productive collective WR draft class in NFL history.

That could set the Chiefs back several years.

What else is new, it's always some opportunity missed on June's team.

1969........

Jimmya · 12-08-2014, 06:16 AM

Chiefs will struggle to win a playoff game as long as Andy keeps trying to call the plays.

**Bob Dole** · 12-08-2014, 07:47 AM

Those who clamor for a new head coach every 2-3 years deserve everything this team is.

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-08-2014, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Andy Reid was dealt a terrible hand by John Dorsey's awful offseason.

John Dorsey failed to draft a single WR from the 2014 NFL Draft which already has the most productive collective WR draft class in NFL history.

That could set the Chiefs back several years.

Bullshit. If Reid wanted a WR, Dorsey would have gotten him one.

Blame Dorsey for the shit on OL.

I'm willing to give Dorsey more time.

I'm done with Reid. He's too old to go changing his ways.

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-08-2014, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dole

Those who clamor for a new head coach every 2-3 years deserve everything this team is.

I'm okay with changing the HC out that often if needed, but not the GM.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-08-2014, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave

Bullshit. If Reid wanted a WR, Dorsey would have gotten him one.

Blame Dorsey for the shit on OL.

I'm willing to give Dorsey more time.

I'm done with Reid. He's too old to go changing his ways.

This.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-08-2014, 09:20 AM

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Not that we have a chance at bringing him aboard, but once Rex gets fired from NY, he would be perfect to work with Reid.

But Reid will be loyal to a fault and **** it up. Won't even bother picking up the phone.

I think Sutton will get looks for head coaching. In which case, agree that Ryan is a great fit and we'd be a prime candidate to get him.

The problem is, our defense has been excellent this year even being down personnel. I think Ryan gets us better rotations, but apart from that, he's not going to fix the problems on offense. Despite what people on here say, a new oline or receivers won't fix those problems as much as we insist they will.

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Reerun_KC Rock Chalk Jayhawks! KU!!! Reerun_KC's Avatar Join Date: Aug 2005	Andy Reid isnt the coach we need. CP loves to treat the symptom while at times ignoring the disease. Since everyone wants to be cool and bash the lame ass QB we have, we might want to look just a little deeper and discuss the HC that hand selected him to be the QB of this team. We aren't going anywhere with Reid's preparations and game plans. His play calling is pathetic and predictable. His tendency's to remove the WRs from the game plan is inexcusable. Until we get rid of Reid, we are stuck with Smith...
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