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2. This is fine, and I do understand that some players are of higher value to certain teams that run certain schemes. But let me break this down for you: Nick Bolton is probably not going to be playing passing downs. And if he does, that's not what he was good at for the Tigers. So... you've drafted a two-down linebacker in the Hitchens mold 58th overall, with good passrushers and receivers on the board. That's just not a wise use of resources. 3. I absolutely don't think we should have reached for anyone, ever. Nor am I saying we should pass up on an "A" linebacker for a "C" wide receiver simply because we have a dire need there and WR is more valuable. I'm saying that I had four players on my board -- Dyami Brown, Terrace Marshall, Ronnie Perkins, and Carlos Basham -- who were all valuable at the low 2nd picks, who all played valuable positions that we had desperate needs at, and we punted for a linebacker (which we did need!) who can't play the pass particularly well. 4. All good points, I don't disagree. But I would have taken Ronnie Perkins and entered the 2021 season with two starting-caliber defensive ends and a competent Blythe at center than further-packing our OL and leaving one DE position wide open, which we've done. |
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05-03-2021, 01:36 PM | #78 | |
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We likely have two Super Bowls at this point if Veach had added a single defensive playmaker in 2018. His draft was horrendous. And he's made several goofs here and there that many of us called at the time. Also: he hasn't "wiped out all team weaknesses." WE HAVE ONE STARTING DEFENSIVE END ON THE ROSTER. |
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05-03-2021, 01:46 PM | #79 | |
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It's really too bad that they won't be able to add any defensive ends via free agency, player-for-player trades or the waiver wire before the season begins in September. |
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05-03-2021, 01:54 PM | #80 | |
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Your best shot is with the remaining DE market. There are some DEs still on the board, which is fine and all, but keep in mind the depth issue at DE will persist well after this season. Frank Clark is cuttable in 2022. You save $13m if you do. Putting a finger in the dam with Ingram or Ansah or Kerrigan is unlikely to fix that. |
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05-03-2021, 01:56 PM | #81 | |
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I seem to remember a guy named Emmanuel Ogbah, who was acquired in a player-for-player deal in 2019, who had 7.5 sacks that year. I also remember Veach doing a player-for-player trade in 2018, which ended up being Chavarious Ward. |
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05-03-2021, 01:59 PM | #82 |
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Again, that's fine and all. I just absolutely do not like the odds.
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05-03-2021, 02:06 PM | #83 |
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The Chiefs got 3 guys that were legitimately in the 1st round conversation earlier in the process without a 1st round pick.
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05-03-2021, 02:13 PM | #84 |
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Terrace Marshall- clearly injury concerns there. We don’t know the medical situation. Maybe give them and all of the other teams that passed on him the benefit of the doubt?
Ronnie Perkins- they clearly didn’t feel he was a fit and it’s easy to see why. He doesn’t fit the profile of a Spags DE at all. Dyami Brown- based on who the Chiefs went after in free agency, and who they went with in the draft, it’s obvious that they were looking for a type. They wanted somebody big and physical. Carlos Basham- another guy that doesn’t seem to fit what they’re looking for at the position. They want true defensive ends, not guys that you’re going to need to slide inside to get a pass rush from. We have Jones, Reed, and Wharton. We don’t need more interior pass rush, we need guys that can consistently win outside on the edge. All of those guys are good players and were guys I liked, but it’s easy to see why the Chiefs went in the direction they did when you actually pay attention and listen as opposed to thinking you know bette than the guys that just went to back to back SB’s and rebuilt their OL in a way any of us could’ve only dreamed of. Call it an appeal of authority all you want Direckshun, but you aren’t very good at this even as a fan on a forum, so it’s extremely laughable how you continue to question the best in the business at every turn. It’s embarrassing and cringy. |
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05-03-2021, 02:14 PM | #85 | |
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If it is leaving that "hole" there or leaving a hole on teh OL well, we know how that plays out. |
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05-03-2021, 02:22 PM | #86 |
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We got to the ****ing SB with Tanoh and Okafor at DE. They were way down the list of reasons we lost.
How exactly did we get so much worse there that we aren’t a savvy free agent addition now or after cuts away from being perfectly fine? Are Danna, Taco, Ward, and Kaindoh THAT much worse? Taco and Ward showed more flashes last year than those guys did. There’s much more upside there at the very least. I’m not saying we shouldn’t be signing somebody like Ingram, Houston, or Kerrigan. I’m sure we will add a veteran starter at some point. When has Veach ever stopped working on the roster? |
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05-03-2021, 02:24 PM | #87 |
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Also, I love how people ignore that pass rush is a unit thing, and Reed has certainly given us a huge upgrade there.
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05-03-2021, 02:36 PM | #88 | |
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I don't think we got the most bang for our buck, though, which is not exactly earth shattering news. We've seen Veach do that for entire drafts. |
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Here's the thing (and despite being a Mizzou fan, I wasn't over the moon with the pick), though: You're projecting Bolton as a 2-down LB. He has great instincts and was an effective pass defender in short areas at Mizzou. He's not a nothing at pass defense. He isn't auto death if he gets matched up in the flat. He doesn't have the size and speed to play man-up defense against a Darren Waller or really elite, athletic move TE... at least not deep down the field... and would be a bad fit at MLB in a cover 3 D. But the guy isn't a zero at pass pro by any means. Re: #3 Terrace Marshall and Dyami Brown were higher on my want list than Bolton, too. I think there are real questions about Perkins' fit in this defense (is he big enough? does he defend the run well enough?), though. And Bashem - as a guy who would need to reduce inside to rush the passer - wasn't of the same value as a Peyton Turner would have provided. I don't think there was a DE that fits the scheme that was a great value at that pick. All indications are we're going to see a lot of Chris Jones at DE on base downs. That reduces some DE need both in 21 and 22. I understand the concern moving forward and the idea that they're going to have to address the position. But I don't really believe Bashem or Perkins drastically changes that equation. I think you're paranoid, though, if you're looking at this team and seeing holes all over the place. |
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But I don't really care about arguments about "Spags types" as much as I used to -- Mike Danna and Melvin Ingram interest have deflated me of that. I do agree there has been a Spags type, though, and Perkins falls comfortably outside of it, but Basham was built for it. Strongside muscle with the ability to flex inside during obvious passing situations is exactly what Spags has asked of our guys in the past. I don't know why this is breaking news. Our WR room is getting awfully stale in a hurry with Robinson, Hardman, and Pringle. Maybe one of these guys can take a step but after the Super Bowl I just watched, I cannot commit to any of them as WR2's, and there aren't any left in FA. We are now at the mercy of what other teams are willing to discard, when we had a front row seat to two very talented WRs. But that's alright, because we spent 58 on a two-down linebacker and a center who will give you somewhat better play than the center we already had. I don't want to re-live Super Bowl LV again. This draft made a step in the right direction, but it could have made a leap. |
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