Conspiracy, the Paranormal, the Unexplained and the Esoteric

[keg in kc]

Figure this would have a better chance of surviving in the Media Center than on the main page, and I'll be adding youtube and podcast links from time to time as I come across them, so it fits.

This has been something that's interested me from a very young age, all aspects of mysterious stuff, whether we're talking forgotten or forbidden archeology or civilization (Atlantis, pre-colombian exploration of america, etc), unexplained events (like Tunguska in 1908, the lost Roanoke Island colony, etc), paranormal events like ghosts, the study of ESP and that sort of thing, conspiracy (ranging from JFK to stuff like the perpetration of the drug war and the infilitration of the media by US intelligence) and, of course, UFOs (which to me means "unexplained" not "extraterrestrial" but that's a whole other topic).

Anything could show up, and everybody should feel free to add whatever they like. Just try to keep it as civil and respectful as possible. This is not intended to be a DC thread; it's as much for entertainment purposes as it is to solve all the world's mysteries.

**Although if anybody posts anything from Third Phase of Moon they should probably expect me to kick them in the balls.**

Few things I like to watch or listen to in no particular order (most of this can be found on itunes as well...):

The Paracast
Binall of America
The Gralian Report
The Paranormal Report
Dark City
Radio Misterioso
Open Minds (mostly their podcast)

That's it for now, just wanted to get this started. Been thinking about doing it for a while...

[O.city]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

He'll if I know.

The weirdest thing is, to sort of tie this back to the question of religion and its reaction to UFOs, that most of the craziest conspiracies, like planet x or CERN opening doorways to another dimension, are championed by hyper-conservative ultra-anti-science evangelical Christians. Literally everything is demons and/or end times prophesy. The eclipse last year? Beginning of Judgement, cause it crossed the US, and there's another in 7 years that crosses the US and makes a big X. CERN? Devil-worshippers trying to break the 7 seals, and if you look at images from the site you can see demon faces as they begin to break through. Planet X? It's wormwood, and it's already visible in the sky. Except that it's not, cause the elites are hiding it with chemtrails and a special jet that flies 24 hours a day screening it from the world's view using a fake sun. Flat earth? It fit exactly with the book of genesis. Except for the giant ice wall that circles us, which sounds like GRRM. But the rest, totally biblical.

It's all like really bad science fiction. They literally hate science. But still try to use it - obviously without understanding it at all - to justify every whacked-out belief they have. Did you know that carbon dating actually proves the 6000 year biblical timeline? That's just one of the thousands of bizarre faux theories floated with unabashed confirmation bias all over the interwebs.

And that's how at least some reaction to actual UFO disclosure would go: they wouldn't believe it. It would be the CIA deceiving the masses through a Project Blue Beam hoax. The 'truth' is that there are no extraterrestrials, only demons coming here at the end times to try and harvest souls.

It's very entertaining. And somewhat frightening, in terms of how much our whacked-out fundamentalists can resemble their fundamentalist brethren of the Muslim variety.

Yeah, there's definitely some interesting takes on some of this stuff.

Weird, but interesting.

[O.city]

I've been reading some stuff on DMT lately and the possibility of multidimension travel etc.

They've supposedly found DMT in a lot of plants in the ME, which supposedly could explain hearing God from the burning bush in Moses days etc.

Interesting theory

[Valiant]

Originally Posted by O.city

I dunno I’m not sure how the religion could continue at that point

Have you met a lot of religious people?

They would just add it to the narrative like dinosaurs.

[Valiant]

My beliefs, I believe there is other life out in the universe but we will never meet them as the universe is too massive. If our solar system is a grain of sand on Smithville lake, and the nearest other Galaxy is in Iraq. The odds of two intelligent life species find each other is nil.
Now, for ufo sightings. I don't think they are aliens. I think they are time travelers. If travel is possible it would need to be done via a ship as the universe expands and moves. Needs to be a beacon of some sort. The reason they don't look like us is evolution from living in space or altered earth environment because we destroyed it.

Just my crazy theory.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Valiant

My beliefs, I believe there is other life out in the universe but we will never meet them as the universe is too massive. If our solar system is a grain of sand on Smithville lake, and the nearest other Galaxy is in Iraq. The odds of two intelligent life species find each other is nil.
Now, for ufo sightings. I don't think they are aliens. I think they are time travelers. If travel is possible it would need to be done via a ship as the universe expands and moves. Needs to be a beacon of some sort. The reason they don't look like us is evolution from living in space or altered earth environment because we destroyed it.

Just my crazy theory.

I've thought of that before, but I'm not sure how it would work out. If you can time travel, you ideally would have to avoid any and all contact as not to alter the past and potentially cause yourself to not be there.

Its interesting to think about though. Although while the universe is so huge, plus now there's possibly multiple universes, if something has evolved and or been around that long, they'll figure out how to travel such long distances fast.

Hell we've only been what we are now for 10000 or so years. Give us another 100000 and no telling what will be going on.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Valiant

Have you met a lot of religious people?

They would just add it to the narrative like dinosaurs.

True.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by O.city

True,

Just seems would be somewhat difficult to reconcile the two.

Thomas Aquinas already did.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by Valiant

Have you met a lot of religious people?

They would just add it to the narrative like dinosaurs.

"My confidence in venturing into science lies in my basic belief that as in science so in Buddhism, understanding the nature of reality is pursued by means of critical investigation: if scientific analysis were conclusively to demonstrate certain claims in Buddhism to be false, then we must accept the findings of science and abandon those claims."

- The 14th Dalai Lama in The Universe in a Single Atom: The Convergence of Science and Spirituality (2005)


And I think that this is a rational response.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by RippedmyFlesh

Notice the pronunciation went from dilemNa to dileMMa.
My biggest ME is this


Black Tom Explosion

Sabotage in New York Harbor
The explosion on Black Tom Island packed the force of an earthquake. It took investigators years to determine that operatives working for Germany were to blame.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/histor...bor-123968672/

I have never heard of this until recently. Never was taught it in school,refered to by blood relatives or referenced in any book movie or song.

I am unsurprised that so many people, after not paying attention to either spelling or the minutiae of American history for most of their lives, find that they are incorrect or simply lacking in knowledge. I was surprised however at the vehemence that some people have displayed when demanding that the universe itself must have been inexplicably altered rather than admit this.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

Those Mandela affects have seriously been freaking me out.

Your memory is just a story that you tell yourself every day, and it's delivered by an unreliable narrator.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by O.city

I wonder what the effect would be if there was ever defininitive proof of extraterrestrial visits or something of the sort?

How do you guys think people would react?

I think people would be fine knowing ET is out there.

The implications of meeting an ET thousands or millions of years more advanced would be the problem.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by listopencil

Your memory is just a story that you tell yourself every day, and it's delivered by an unreliable narrator.

A memory is just like that game where there are 20 people and a phrase is told from the first to the second, second to third, and so on. Memories degrade with each telling...

[Baby Lee]

This is pretty wild, mildly unsettling

https://melmagazine.com/the-mystery-...e-f3c347322315

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

This is pretty wild, mildly unsettling

https://melmagazine.com/the-mystery-...e-f3c347322315

I've watched a number of vids on that and It's hard to really even form a guess on what happened.

Very similar is the guy who was skiing in the North East with friends and one week later he shows up in California, still in his ski gear, with no memory of what happened or really of much of his own past. That's one you should definitely look up.

[O.city]

Lets fire this thread back up.