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06-01-2022, 09:35 AM | #826 |
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As I've read more about it, it's pretty clear to me that the offsides call was correct - it's just odd that so few fans knew how the rule works. Most of the time on offsides reviews, they're looking at the team entering the zone, and in that situation, the puck crossing pretty much instantly creates an offside situation since it's highly unlikely the team would then pull back across the blue line to tag up.
However, the rule really is that it doesn't become offsides until it's TOUCHED in the offensive zone. (That's why delayed offsides is a thing.) It doesn't matter if the puck is in a player's possession or not - if the puck isn't touched until after everyone team tags up, it's not offside. And yes, there are plenty of precedents out there for this. You learn something new every day I suppose. |
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06-01-2022, 11:25 AM | #828 | |
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In my opinion the goal shouldn't have counted, if Makar had purposely lifted his stick mid air, looked at the player tagging up and then put his stick down and touched the puck then I have no issues with the call but he is clearly just hoping that the offside player touches up in time while bringing the puck in. |
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The big thing I think people are getting hung up on is that possession doesn't matter here. It's purely "Did Makar touch the puck over the blue line before Nichushkin tagged up?" Last edited by DaFace; 06-01-2022 at 12:10 PM.. |
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Kind of a phony phrase but I just think the “spirit” of the rule that you are referring to shouldn’t apply to this instance. I think how that rule was written was specifically when a player makes an effort to show that he is purposely not touching the puck to buy a second for his teammate to tag up and become onside. |
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06-01-2022, 12:42 PM | #831 |
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Essentially what you are saying is that all further offside reviews, we need the capability without any doubt to determine if that puck is on Makar’s stick or not.
NHL better invest in some more and better cameras if that’s the case. |
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06-01-2022, 12:44 PM | #832 | |
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And examples of previous reviews:
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The Bruins replay above is a perfect example of how I think the rule should be applied. You can see that the player is purposely not touching the puck after it enters the offensive zone to buy another second for his teammate to tag up. The puck carrier returns to handling the puck when he thinks his teammate tagged up.
There is no intent from Makar when he enters the zone to stop his puck handling- he is just advancing the puck and is hoping the timing is correct. What you’re left with is that the officials have to determine if the puck is contacting his stick. I can’t tell from the photo above, can you? You must understand by now the point I’m making, just tell me what you think. |
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Again, it's 100% clear that he didn't touch it if you look at the clip I posted. That's not really part of the debate. |
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In my opinion the “tag-up” offside and the “delayed” offside rules should be written the same. If a player is deemed to have possession when entering the zone- it’s offside. This would still allow players the ability to lift their stick for a second or two to wait for players to tag up if they wanted, but in this instance eliminates the play where it is pure fluke that the puck isn’t touching a players stick when he enters the zone. Agree to disagree here and looking forward to game 2. |
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Googled Kuemper to see where that's at and here's a dandy of a headline...
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Didn't even have to look to know that's a Denver Post article.
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I can imagine the light bulb going on over their head.... why have we only been throwing one local franchise under the bus in a single article? What if we cross-clickbait to capture some Broncos readers, too?!
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