***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[suzzer99]

Guys my aunt posted a picture of some tanks on Facebook. Does this mean the national guard is taking over?

[TLO]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

2nd case has been identified at my wife's work. She outed herself via Facebook to let people know who may have been in proximity to her. It's actually someone I've met before.

The kicker, I wish I was joking, she's young and over the weekend was volunteering to pick up supplies for anyone that couldn't. She was notified on Monday that she may have been in contact with someone who tested positive and on Tuesday was feeling sluggish and tired with a slight cough. Because she is diabetic she took herself in for a test and was notified within 24 hours that she was positive. Says been at home and says she's already feeling better today.

Glad to hear she's doing well.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Dartgod

Posting that crap without a verifiable source should get you banned.

Clay's been straddling that line pretty tight for a few days now...

[wazu]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Clay's been straddling that line pretty tight for a few days now...

Yeah but it livens things up a little.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

This is coming from direct on the ground reports from citizens as to what lockdown looks like. It's not disputed. People have family in other countries. The govt can't just lie about something so easily disproven. My boss's parents live in Chongqing. She told me what the less restrictive lockdown looks like there.

Regarding the bigger picture stuff - I’ve read a few unbiased epidemiologists or other experts who say they think China is being pretty truthful for once right now (after their initial attempt at cover up/denial).

Seems like unless you’re going to somehow try to cover up massive deaths (like Iran seems to be doing) ultimately lying is only going to delay the inevitable and make it worse.

Details? I wanna hear the deets. Unfortunately I can see this happening more in Iran than in China.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by Donger

Stop it.

Residents can still go to the grocery stores, put gas in their cars, take walks outside and make pharmacy runs. All local roads, including the interstate highways and tollways, will remain open to traffic, as well.

Suburban Oak Park also issued a shelter-in-place order as of 12:01 a.m. Friday, after two emergency room physicians at Rush Oak Park Hospital tested positive for COVID-19. Residents have been ordered to stay in their homes except for “essential” travel as outlined by village ordinance. They can go to work, for example, if their businesses remain open, especially if they have essential jobs such as first responders, sanitation workers or health care providers.

How much of your personal freedoms are you willing to give up to stop a supposed public health threat that is statistically less prevalent than the seasonal flu and car accidents?

Are you willing to submit a written approval form to local authorities to leave your house? That is happening in Italy and France now.

Are you okay with martial law being declared? The Governor of California openly said that is a possibility.

Go on record now and say what your threshold is for continuing to surrender your personal freedom.

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin

I can relate this situation to raising hogs as we had to deal with disease all the time. We've vaccinated for coronavirus for years although it was a different strain.

What the Hog industry found out many years ago is that the higher the population within a barn the more rampant a virus would be on the herd. the [U]microbial density magnifies the higher the population in a confined area.[U]

We learned to NOT keep hogs in rooms with a population of 5000 and to reduce the room size to a population of 500.

I would think the same holds true with humans. People living in densely populated areas( NY,LA,etc...) are going to get hit the hardest. People living and working rural will not be affected so much.

KDHE Secretary Dr. Lee Norman essentially said the same thing today in his presser when comparing rural parts of the state (he mentioned Garden City) vs more populated parts of the state (JoCo & the Dotte).

[Donger]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

How...

I'll be happy to discuss it in DC, not here.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Clay's been straddling that line pretty tight for a few days now...

I've been sticking to the "non-political" rule.

Were there other rules? Perhaps we need official ground rules for this thread.

Personally I want to see all information, be it rumor or published fact. Please and thank you.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Stanley Nickels

Oh come on. SO GODDAMN CONFOUNDING.

I'll bet that yellow map would look almost IDENTICAL if you mapped the most common hotspots for CHINESE TRAVELERS. This is bullshit pseudostatistics. Show me how this controls for confounding factors and then we'll talk. Until then this is some lazy false-equivalence.

Studies are showing effectiveness in the malaria drug in treating the virus. Thats becoming much more researched and established. That’s the main point. The maps are an interesting visual to go along with it. Also, the virus has been all over the world basically at this point. It doesn’t take multiple travelers to cause a quick spread so it’s possible their is something to it and it’s worth monitoring. India has had this virus for plenty of time now to have a huge case count but it isn’t happening and understanding why matters, with their use of the drug being a possible contributor.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

I've been sticking to the "non-political" rule.

Were there other rules? Perhaps we need official ground rules for this thread.

Personally I want to see all information, be it rumor or published fact. Please and thank you.

The idea is to keep the thread from being muddled with bullshit and misinformation. At least that's my interpretation.

If you wanna float conspiracy rumors, D.C if rife with it. Have fun.

[Dartgod]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

The idea is to keep the thread from being muddled with bullshit and misinformation. At least that's my interpretation.

If you wanna float conspiracy rumors, D.C if rife with it. Have fun.

[MahiMike]

Originally Posted by ShowtimeSBMVP

Right now #China is making threats to disrupt America’s drug supply chain during the #coronavirus #pandemic — congress & WH gearing up to fight back. Hope you’ll tune infor the story @BretBaier @SpecialReport

— Gillian Turner (@GillianHTurner) March 17, 2020

How ya liking this whole "global economy" thing now?

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Details? I wanna hear the deets. Unfortunately I can see this happening more in Iran than in China.

There were supposedly some satellite photos of them digging mass graves. But from everything we know their #s should probably be worse than Italy's and remain suspiciously low.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

The idea is to keep the thread from being muddled with bullshit and misinformation. At least that's my interpretation.

If you wanna float conspiracy rumors, D.C if rife with it. Have fun.

Excellent. I agree this is a noble idea.