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Old 08-12-2014, 04:26 PM  
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Well, not everyone can recognize talent like our front office
No competent talent evaluator had Bo at 12. None.
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You realize Veach and Paton are on different stratosphere right? That's not luck or accident
I think Veach is better than Paton. What's that got to do with the fact that no teams, except the Chiefs, recognized Mahomes. Or the fact that every year all teams do horribly picking which QB will turn out to be any good.

It is kind of strange that KC never picked QBs--even when they needed one--leading up to Mahomes. I'm not sure why that is but it's not due to Veach's brilliance considering they also didn't pick QBs before he was there. And for that matter, there were some decent QBs in those drafts between 2013, when Reid and Veach arrived, and 2017. But KC didn't pick them.

Hell, Dak Prescott was available until the 4th round in 2016 (Ironically, they picked him because they failed in their attempt to get Paxton Lynch).

Why didn't Veach find Prescott?
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I think Veach is better than Paton. What's that got to do with the fact that no teams, except the Chiefs, recognized Mahomes. Or the fact that every year all teams do horribly picking which QB will turn out to be any good.

It is kind of strange that KC never picked QBs--even when they needed one--leading up to Mahomes. I'm not sure why that is but it's not due to Veach's brilliance considering they also didn't pick QBs before he was there. And for that matter, there were some decent QBs in those drafts between 2013, when Reid and Veach arrived, and 2017. But KC didn't pick them.

Hell, Dak Prescott was available until the 4th round in 2016 (Ironically, they picked him because they failed in their attempt to get Paxton Lynch).

Why didn't Veach find Prescott?
Your coach claims he knew Mahomes was elite and wanted him...then let's the Chiefs jump him. Inexcusable

Dak? Seriously Dak? That's what you're going with?
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No competent talent evaluator had Bo at 12. None.
If you look at who talented evaluators had at number 1 and 2 over the last 10-20 years, that doesn't really seem like something to get excited about.

Desperately needing a QB, and picking outside the top 5, you basically have to say:

Is this person smart enough?

Is this person decent and hard working? (these first two should have avoided Paxton Lynch, but Elway was a bit of a size queen)

Does this person have adequate physical tools?

Does this person have reasonably refined technique?

And then roll the dice. Anyone who thinks it isn't rolling the dice is fooling himself.
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Your coach claims he knew Mahomes was elite and wanted him...then let's the Chiefs jump him. Inexcusable

Dak? Seriously Dak? That's what you're going with?
Why wouldn't I go with Dak? If Veach is a QB-identifying savant, why would he not have drafted him in the third or fourth round?

It's not like he knew they'd get Mahomes the next year.

The point about "my coach" only proves my point. He didn't know how good Mahomes would be and no one else did. If they did, there would have been an all out bidding war for the first pick.
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There's definitely luck involved but also alot of skill. It takes a certain eye to stand out and Veach certainly has it.
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Why wouldn't I go with Dak? If Veach is a QB-identifying savant, why would he not have drafted him in the third or fourth round?

It's not like he knew they'd get Mahomes the next year.
Dak and Patrick aren't even REMOTELY comparable. System QBs like Dink and Dak are a dime a dozen.
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Dak was OK in the SEC certainly not Nix level bad, but nothing that makes an elite talent evaluator want to grab him.
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Dak was OK in the SEC certainly not Nix level bad, but nothing that makes an elite talent evaluator want to grab him.
Dak got drafted where Nix should have
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Dak was OK in the SEC certainly not Nix level bad, but nothing that makes an elite talent evaluator want to grab him.
So, like, elite talent evaluators couldn't tell how good he would be, right?
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Dak got drafted where Nix should have
What a time to be a Chiefs fan. Maybe they should fly a banner at Pile High?
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So, like, elite talent evaluators couldn't tell how good he would be, right?
I think they did fine waiting a year then moving up for Patrick. Pretty good decision...
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I think they did fine waiting a year then moving up for Patrick. Pretty good decision...
There's no way they would do that if they knew how good Dak was. We're talking about a 4th round pick.

If you knew for sure that you would pick Mahomes the next year, and that Mahomes would be one of the best ever, you still would pick Dak.
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Another point--it's not like there's a whole lot of daylight between Nix's week 1 performance and Williams or Daniels. They sure didn't look as different as the consensus rankings would suggest.
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The difference between Williams and Daniels and then nix is the fact they looked much better in college and were much better prospects than Nix. Nix is a check down master his whole college career and that’s just not going to cut it in the NFL.
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