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09-11-2024, 04:20 PM | #76201 | |
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At a certain point, when the skill-levels are high enough in a zero sum enterprise, the skill of the respective parties becomes secondary to luck. They're all good - so there's nobody that's going to just smarts their way to the top of the heap. Some of 'em just get a lucky break here and there and that's what pushes them to the top. But you've ignored the necessary precondition that doesn't apply to the Broncos - skill. In order for luck to matter, you have to be equally skilled; you have to be in the pool of intelligent front offices who are able to stand at the roulette wheel and give luck a chance. You guys ain't there. Or close to it. You're the janitors walking around scraping gum off the bottom of the craps tables. The Broncos organization is full of morons that think Bo Nix is an NFL quarterback. So no, they're not gonna get lucky. Ever. They're not even smart enough for THAT. |
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09-11-2024, 04:22 PM | #76202 | |
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Bill Walsh managed to get and develop two great QBs. Belichik didn't, Shanahan didn't, Reid hasn't, Parcells didn't. It starts to make you wonder if there really are any geniuses or just guys who happened to get HOF QBs. (Of course this doesn't apply to the roster as whole--obviously some people are much better than others.) Can you think of someone else? |
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09-11-2024, 04:28 PM | #76203 |
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You do realize that the Chiefs didn't "sit at 10", right? They had the 27th pick in the draft and made a huge trade up to get him. It takes a lot of draft capital to move up that far, and someone willing to trade from the top ten to the back of the round. That was likely as high as they could get. Yeah, they were hoping that he would fall to 10. But that was where the draft partner was that was will to trade all the way down to 27.
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09-11-2024, 04:30 PM | #76204 | |
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09-11-2024, 04:36 PM | #76205 | |
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Second, no it doesn't. Why don't you provide some examples since it "happens all the time". I'll wait... |
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09-11-2024, 04:44 PM | #76206 | |
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09-11-2024, 04:46 PM | #76207 |
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Chiefs certainly did moving from 27 to TEN
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09-11-2024, 04:46 PM | #76208 | |
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When they turn out to be right, they say "I knew that guy was going to be great." |
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09-11-2024, 04:50 PM | #76209 | |
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You certainly have not heard me say anything like that about Payton. I don't at all understand why we gave up a draft pick for him. |
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09-11-2024, 04:51 PM | #76210 |
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I get it. You mean like when the Donks staff said that Ossweiller, Lynch, Lock, and now Nix were going to be great, they were wrong? Got it. I thought that you were talking about the Chiefs, who said that Mahomes was the best that Veach had ever seen, and he was right
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09-11-2024, 04:53 PM | #76211 | |
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And remember that no other team knew how good he was or it wouldn't have even been a choice. The Browns would have picked him first and would not have traded. |
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09-11-2024, 04:54 PM | #76212 | |
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Not quite. Most of the time it’s “Gee I sure hope this QB ends up being really good.” They’re all in on the investment and the roll of the dice, but very few talent scouts if hooked up to a lie detector are gonna say right after they draft a guy, “He’s 100% an awesome QB with zero negative traits we can’t fix with a little coaching” You could have done that to Veach after the Mahomes pick and he would have passed that lie detector |
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09-11-2024, 04:55 PM | #76213 | |
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I think the unique person is Mahomes, not Veach. Not that I'm saying Veach is a bad GM--he's a good one. |
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09-11-2024, 04:57 PM | #76214 | |
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Andy Reid developed Brett Favre (ask him), Donovan McNabb & Patrick Mahomes. And he helped Alex Smith to his most successful season ever (2017). Andy Reid is a QB whisperer. Sean Payton doesn’t even deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Big Red. And setting THAT aside, he has nothing to work with now in a 24 year old QB who will never be able to out-Alex Alex Smith. That is Bo Nix’ absolute ceiling. So, yeah. Enjoy that. |
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09-11-2024, 05:01 PM | #76215 | |
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And I didn't suggest it was all luck. I did suggest that Bill Walsh is the only person I can think of who picked and developed two all time great QBs. I'll give you Andy Reid by assuming McNabb belongs in that class plus partial credit for Favre. Who else? |
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