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Old 10-27-2020, 03:28 PM  
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Don't be me with your computer files
I just lost all of my computer data dating back 20 years. Long story short I had it BACKED UP on a 2tb portable hard drive which I dropped. It's trashed. 2 different sysops looked at it. I can send it to the company and pray but that bill starts at $1000.00 They took it apart and its running but the arm is scratching back and forth across the disk. No light comes on and it is not recognized by any computer I plug it into. 20 years of taxes, personal files, small business files and lesson plans and lessons from my 30 years of teaching welding - gone.

Truthfully I had it backed up on my computer c drive which had to be re-imaged.
My though was, it gets re-imaged, I copy everything back, now I still have two copies. BAM god punished me.

Don't be me, back that stuff up twice. I would do it on "the cloud" but know little about it. Mr. Wizard is wrong again!

PS is the cloud a good idea for an old dog like me?
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Old 10-27-2020, 08:20 PM   #61
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LOL

Sorry about that.

Dropbox is for STORING and sharing files. It keeps a copy of a single file at a single point in time.

A good backup solution can keep a version history and a change log of individual files, allowing for point-in-time restoral.

Also, a good backup solution backs up more than just productivity and media files, allowing you to truly "pick up where you left off".
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Old 10-27-2020, 08:21 PM   #62
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Like I was a saying...you cant run your computer FROM Time Machine. It's a good safety net...but you will be out of commission for an afternoon. That's
the benefit of having a bootable clone...probably a wise decision to do both.
I have two machines (4 actually, 2 Macs and 2 PC's) so being able to restore instantly really isn't really a big deal for me.

But yeah, for most people having both would be ideal. The image for instant restoral and the Time Machine for files and stuff.
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Old 10-27-2020, 08:35 PM   #63
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Old 10-27-2020, 08:42 PM   #64
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Like I was a saying...you cant run your computer FROM Time Machine. It's a good safety net...but you will be out of commission for an afternoon. That's
the benefit of having a bootable clone...probably a wise decision to do both.
That's stupid and pointless though. You don't want to run your computer from your backup copy. I mean, you could absolutely make a bootable clone from a Time Machine backup. At that point it's not a backup copy though. You've now got duplicate images that don't sync.

You can take a Time Machine backup and clone it to an external drive if you want, and then boot from that. But your criticism doesn't make a lick of sense on its own.
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Old 10-27-2020, 08:46 PM   #65
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LOL

Sorry about that.

Dropbox is for STORING and sharing files. It keeps a copy of a single file at a single point in time.

A good backup solution can keep a version history and a change log of individual files, allowing for point-in-time restoral.

Also, a good backup solution backs up more than just productivity and media files, allowing you to truly "pick up where you left off".
You're definitely correct. But I don't get the sense that the OP needs versioning of files. Maybe I'm wrong, but I wanted to make sure he knew the difference.

For what it's worth, you can absolutely leverage dropbox to do automated Windows system backups of whatever desired folders/data you choose: https://help.dropbox.com/installs-in...omputer-backup

Dropbox Business even allows for versioning with a 10yr retention policy...
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Old 10-27-2020, 08:56 PM   #66
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I recently sent a hard drive off to get everything recovered, including my entire music collection. It cost me a thousand bucks.

For that price I could have just not been a dipshit and had iDrive backing everything up to the cloud for TWENTY YEARS ($50/year for 5 TB).

Don't be a moron. I won't be going forward.
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Old 10-27-2020, 09:10 PM   #67
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doesnt everything just back up on the cloud if you use a microsoft laptop? automatically?
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Old 10-27-2020, 09:31 PM   #68
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That's stupid and pointless though. You don't want to run your computer from your backup copy. I mean, you could absolutely make a bootable clone from a Time Machine backup. At that point it's not a backup copy though. You've now got duplicate images that don't sync.

You can take a Time Machine backup and clone it to an external drive if you want, and then boot from that. But your criticism doesn't make a lick of sense on its own.
Man...you just cant help yourself trying to make everything a personal attack.

Some of us dont want to wait an afternoon while we clone from TM...I will never have a down computer for more than 3 minutes due to drive issues.

I also wont be sending all my personal information to a 3rd party cloud vendor...people can trust them if they want but I dont like signing off on a corporation having a clone of my computer.

If Biden had my method...he wouldn't have had his computer compromised.

Also having a bootable external drive means I can run my computer set-up in different locations...

I havent run a Mac desktop from it's internal drive in 8 years...I use G-tech externals.
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Old 10-27-2020, 09:31 PM   #69
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Old 10-27-2020, 09:40 PM   #70
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Man...you just cant help yourself trying to make everything a personal attack.

Some of us dont want to wait an afternoon while we clone from TM...I will never have a down computer for more than 3 minutes due to drive issues.

I also wont be sending all my personal information to a 3rd party cloud vendor...people can trust them if they want but I dont like signing off on a corporation having a clone of my computer.
You are not actually doing a backup though. You're simply running your OS from an external drive. That's why your strategy doesn't make any sense. You can't do a Time Machine backup to an active boot drive. That's a fact.

Regardless, a 200GB Time Machine backup on SSD takes about 30-45 minutes to restore. I know because I've done hundreds of them on every different model of Mac available.

Also, the idea of 3rd party cloud vendors accessing your private data is laughably dumb. If you knew the first thing about how the encryption worked, you'd realize how silly you sound.
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Old 10-27-2020, 09:49 PM   #71
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Yeah, Google Drive should also give you 10GB free, and you can configure Google Drive to do automated OS/select data backups as well.

https://fossbytes.com/backup-hard-dr...and-sync-tool/

I'd still recommend getting an external like the one htis referenced above for local backups regardless....
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Old 10-27-2020, 09:53 PM   #72
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You are not actually doing a backup though. You're simply running your OS from an external drive. That's why your strategy doesn't make any sense. You can't do a Time Machine backup to an active boot drive. That's a fact.

Regardless, a 200GB Time Machine backup on SSD takes about 30-45 minutes to restore. I know because I've done hundreds of them on every different model of Mac available.

Also, the idea of 3rd party cloud vendors accessing your private data is laughably dumb. If you knew the first thing about how the encryption worked, you'd realize how silly you sound.
Yeah...just like Mac programmed a back-door into their OS.

I have a 2 TB boot...so that makes your 30 minutes retrieval about 5 hours in my case. I back up every few weeks...unless I'm in the studio. That's why I said TM would be good to use in conjunction.

If your internal computer drive tanks...and you dont have a bootable OS external...youre shit out of luck. Many times the conflict could be resolved...
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Old 10-27-2020, 09:57 PM   #73
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Yeah...just like Mac programmed a back-door into their OS.

I have a 2 TB boot...so that makes your 30 minutes retrieval about 5 hours in my case..
Back door into their OS? ... OK, bud.
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If your internal computer drive tanks...and you dont have a bootable OS external...your shit out of luck. Many times the conflict could be resolved...
No, you're completely wrong. But we're way off topic now, and this is the last I'm commenting on your goofy ass. Good day.
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Old 10-27-2020, 10:05 PM   #75
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No, you're completely wrong. But we're way off topic now, and this is the last I'm commenting on your goofy ass. Good day.
Maybe I should rephrase...you're shit out of luck for the next few hours...and that's if your internal drive was just corrupted and hasn't failed.
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