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Join Date: Aug 2008
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None of that was by accident. Veach brilliantly frontloaded a ton of contracts to give us cap flexibility for mahomes to backload his. He brilliantly locked us into a TON of 2-3 year deals so we can stockpile talent while buying us time to draft our future. Sure, who knows how we'll look a few years from now. But veach set us up perfectly to be really damn good for at least the next 3 or 4 years. He was planning for the spinning plates years ago. That's why our plates are spinning, not smashing on the ground. |
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Coaching and environment matter so much in the league. With our coaching staff, I don’t think there’s any issue with boom or bust players. |
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The man you could post like.
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#64 |
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Join Date: Aug 2005
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Veach helped bring us Mahomes and our first SB win in 50 years- yet some on here want to give the edge to a ****ing Colts GM who way over-paid on Buckner and brought in Old Man Rivers. **** the Colts and anyone in their entire organization.
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Join Date: Jan 2006
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He's done a great job in keeping this SB team together in the short term, but the real tell here (and what will be determinative for dynasty purposes) will be what Veach does 3-4 years down the road when a lot of Mahomes' current teammates will be gone and/or nearing their expiration dates.
Mahomes is a shit ton better than Brady ever was, so Veach will probably have to do less than Belichick did, but he'll still need talent around him to win SBs over the next 10+ years. |
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#67 |
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Join Date: Aug 2008
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Also can't be understated how outstanding our nobodies played....
Charvarius ward Breeland Damien Williams Wisnewski Rankin (before the injury) Pennel Matt Moore He might as well have picked these guys up from goodwill. |
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#68 | |
Sauntering Vaguely Downwards
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Columbia, Mo
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I wouldn't say he locked into a 'ton' of 2-3 year deals either. Watkins and Mathieu clearly fit into this category, but Watkins is EXACTLY the kind of 'easy' contract he could do because of Mahomes cheap deal. He wildly overpaid for Watkins and nobody can argue otherwise. He paid Watkins as a #1 wideout to go be a #2. That's no sort of clever cap management - it's have money, will spend. And again, that's potentially laudable given the window he was in, but it doesn't speak to any real long-term genius when it comes to managing the cap. It's just overspending on a luxury item because he could. Okay. And for the middle of the roster guys like Wilson - well that's just what players of that caliber get. The league's not giving out long-term deals to mid-level players. Regarding Jones - what was 'brilliant' about it? His cap figure this season is going to be roughly the tag. He signed a contract a tick beyond the market Buckner set. What Veach did was fine - but it was market. It was nothing earth shattering. As for Mahomes - kid wanted to stay here and lets be honest, I'm going to guess many of those negotiations were done w/ Clark Hunt and whoever the team cap specialist is. Name a GM that entered his job with a better foundation than Veach. With a better roster and organization that was set up for long-term success. Yes, relatively speaking, his gig has been easy. I don't see why it's hard for some to acknowledge that fact. Veach has succeeded. He's done a good job. That's all without argument at this point because flags fly forever. But this is one of those instances where people are trying to place a higher degree of difficulty on what he's done than is warranted. NOBODY in the league has had a smoother path forward than him. Nobody. Has he fumbled it? Nah, though you could say that maybe a better LB signing instead of Hitchens and Fuller instead of Watkins yields us a title in 2018 as well - but the '19 SB erases those sins. I'm just not going to pretend like Veach came in here and overhauled some woebegone franchise and performed miracles. This team was set up for greatness when he took it over. He made some very good moves to put it over the top but I don't think he's doing anything exceptionally difficult in that regard. |
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Sauntering Vaguely Downwards
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Columbia, Mo
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If you're gonna give him credit for Breeland though, let's not forget that he passed on him in '18 when he was a street free agent and we were again a single stop away from an AFC championship. Could Breeland have helped there? Williams is fine; fungible. System back who belongs on Andy's ledger. Again, I think you're overlooking the relativity aspect of this whole thing. Under Dorsey's tenure we were slapping him on the back for those same sorts of in-season additions that work out well. Why? Because Pioli never did 'em. Well that's because Pioli was a pile of warmed over dogshit. My point is that MOST teams have a number of nice in-season pickups like that. The Chiefs aren't a lot different in that regard apart from the fact that their coach is a goddamn wizard who can hide someone like Reiter. I'm simply trying to point out that in some instances we're giving him credit for things that all good GMs do and saying that makes him clearly the best. No - there are many good GMs in this league that do things like that. Now a move like getting a top flight CB for a guard you were going to cut? Well that's unique. I think Ward is a genuine top 25 CB in this league and for some weird reason I completely air-mailed that one. Veach deserves enormous credit for that pickup and THOSE are the things that I think can distinguish him from a fairly select group of very good GMs going forward. But using cap space made possible from a cheap QB to sign Sammy Watkins and Anthony Hitches? C'mon. He's not infallible and it's okay to point that out. |
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Tossed Salad & Scrambled Eggs
Join Date: Jan 2009
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*climbs up on top of the roof*
"HE'S ONLY 41 YEARS OLD!" |
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#72 | |
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Join Date: Aug 2008
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Veach loaded our team with a super bowl roster while giving us flexibility to keep mahomes and jones. He gave us a new 4 year window without saddling us with dead money deals. That is something they couldn't do around QBs like Russell Wilson. And at the end of the 4 years, he STILL managed to build flexibility into the mahomes deal to build a team around him. Flexibility guys like Aaron Rodgers didn't have. We have to get a lot of things right but the table is set. On the jones deal... The deal itself wasn't brilliant. But I don't think it's a coincidence that jones got a 4 year deal while mahomes took a 4 year discount. Jones is a chief because of the brilliance of the mahomes contract. |
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#74 | |
Sauntering Vaguely Downwards
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Columbia, Mo
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The point is that we've been able to 'easily get out of' some of those deals by absorbing fairly substantial dead cap hits or extending guys to deals that we simply won't be able to do with any frequency going forward. And that's part of what's made the degree of difficulty lesser for him. While his competition in the division is dragging along $20+ million mediocrity in Rivers and Carr, he's got the biggest swinging dick on the planet at 1/4 of that AND a few HoF caliber talents that were on the roster he took over who are were also below market due to pre-existing contracts or circumstances not of Veach's making. This job hasn't been a difficult one. Now that's not to take away from the job he's done - but he has had it far easier than most. |
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#75 |
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Join Date: Aug 2008
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Oh, and not only did he change our defense overnight without saddling our cap. He did this while eating a shitload of dead money by outright getting rid of Houston, berry, and Ford contracts. Veach could have committed career suicide by throwing $20m in dead money at these guys. If veach didn't win a super bowl in 2 years, can you imagine how many chiefs fans would have destroyed him for wasting our window? That was a ballsy move. Not only did he make it work, taking their contracts off the books was huge in allowing us to sign mahomes and Jones.
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