***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I don’t get this argument. Why do people keep saying it’s the media.

Every possible hurricane and snowstorm I’ve even been around results in a run on grocery store items. People start horading. If it happens every time, in all states, It’s human nature, not the media.

It has a lot to do with all of the people who bought/buy into the entire "Fake news" bullshit.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by burt

Oh, that hurt.

Please forgive me for making a play on words. BUT, I will put it in my will to have you contacted in the case of my demise.

Nice!

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Every hurricane and snowstorm is also sensationalized by the media.

True but the hoarding is base human fear. I can see bottled water. We can’t live without clean water. But, TP?

[burt]

Originally Posted by eDave

Nice!

AND....since we're friends again, I will leave you one of my watches!

[Kiimo]

Originally Posted by mac459

Do you have any proof of this? Any numbers to back this up? How many people can each hospital hold? How many people would be in each hospital?

The numbers have been posted in this thread. It's astronomical the numbers that would be needed and hospitals would absolutely be overrun. The social distancing is to spread that out.

Also don't fall under the complete misconception that only old people need hospitalization with this.

https://people.com/health/younger-pa...w-study-finds/

[notorious]

Originally Posted by stumppy

It has a lot to do with all of the people who bought/buy into the entire "Fake news" bullshit.

As much as the media has lied to us for years you can't blame people.

They have cried wolf so many times people have stopped trusting them. Well, something real happened and now their failures in the past have come home to roost.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by Donger

NEW YORK - New York has confirmed more than 4,000 coronavirus cases statewide, which Gov. Andrew Cuomo said was driven by a dramatic increase in testing. New York has cumulatively tested 22,000 people, including more than 7,500 in the past day.

“Why are you seeing the numbers go up?” Cuomo asked at a news conference Thursday morning. “Because you are taking more tests.”

The governor said 8,000 tests for the virus were performed in New York overnight and he expects the number of confirmed cases to go up exponentially.

C19 may already have been spiking and just mis-identified.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Just got back from Sam's Club and they are OUT of Diet Dr. Pepper.

Had to buy Coke Zero.

These are dark times.

soda is bad for you, drink beer

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

We should quarantine everyone 65 or older and those with conditions that put them at greater risk of death and tell everyone else to go about their lives business as usual. Make the bell curve of this thing taller and decrease the timespan. Instead we are trying to flatten the curve and dragging this out for way too long while also crippling the economy and damaging millions of people financially.

You clearly don’t work in healthcare.

So **** you.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

The overwhelming majority of people under 65 that don’t have an underlying condition don’t need to go to the hospital for this.

This is not even remotely true.

It's believed the hospitalization rate for this virus is around 10%.

This was a bad flu season and the hospitalization rate for the flu was 0.00061%.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by mac459

Do you have any proof of this? Any numbers to back this up? How many people can each hospital hold? How many people would be in each hospital?

I don't no but I have friends who work in hospitals. They know way more than you or I and they keep me informed.

Use a little common sense. You think our politicians are closing every thing down for fun?

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by lewdog

You clearly don’t work in healthcare.

So **** you.

Hey, think of his 401k will ya?

[Kiimo]

Originally Posted by Pablo

Hey, think of his 401k will ya?

from another thread

"my 401k is now a 401kan't

my roth IRA said be cool honey bunny"

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by lewdog

You clearly don’t work in healthcare.

So **** you.

What does my profession have to do with my opinion? My sister is an RN and I’ve told her the same things I posted in this thread. She doesn’t totally agree, but she thinks shutting down the entire country like we are doing is dumb.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

C19 may already have been spiking and just mis-identified.

My Son has had pneumonia twice since Christmas. His pediatrician said she has treated more cases of that in kids this year than she ever has.