New Conference re-alignment thread

[Saulbadguy]

The old one has AIDS.

Anyways, Chip Brown from Orangebloods.com reports OU may apply to the Pac-12 by the end of the month.

Oklahoma will apply for membership to the Pac-12 before the end of the month, and Oklahoma State is expected to follow suit, a source close to OU's administration told Orangebloods.com.

Even though Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said Friday the Pac-12 was not interested in expansion at this time, OU's board of regents is fed up with the instability in the Big 12, the source said.

The OU board of regents will meet within two weeks to formalize plans to apply for membership to the Pac-12, the source said.

Messages left Sunday night with OU athletic director Joe Castiglione and Oklahoma State athletic director Mike Holder were not immediately returned.

If OU follows through with what appears to be a unanimous sentiment on the seven-member Oklahoma board of regents to leave the Big 12, realignment in college athletics could be heating back up. OU's application would be matched by an application from Oklahoma State, the source said, even though OSU president Burns Hargis and mega-booster Boone Pickens both voiced their support for the Big 12 last Thursday.

There is differing sentiment about if the Pac-12 presidents and chancellors are ready to expand again after bringing in Colorado and Utah last year and landing $3 billion TV contracts from Fox and ESPN. Colorado president Bruce Benson told reporters last week CU would be opposed to any expansion that might bring about east and west divisions in the Pac-12.

Currently, there are north and south divisions in the Pac-12. If OU and OSU were to join, Larry Scott would have to get creative.

Scott's orginal plan last summer was to bring in Colorado, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and put them in an eastern division with Arizona and Arizona State. The old Pac-8 schools (USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State) were to be in the west division.

Colorado made the move in June 2010, but when Texas A&M was not on board to go west, the Big 12 came back together with the help of its television partners (ABC/ESPN and Fox).

If Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were accepted into the Pac-12, there would undoubtedly be a hope by Larry Scott that Texas would join the league. But Texas sources have indicated UT is determined to hang onto the Longhorn Network, which would not be permissible in the Pac-12 in its current form.

Texas sources continue to indicate to Orangebloods.com that if the Big 12 falls apart, the Longhorns would consider "all options."

Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe held an emergency conference call 10 days ago with league presidents excluding Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M and asked the other league presidents to "work on Texas" because Beebe didn't think the Pac-12 would take Oklahoma without Texas.

Now, it appears OU is willing to take its chances with the Pac-12 with or without Texas.

There seemed to be a temporary pause in any possible shifting of the college athletics' landscape when Baylor led a charge to tie up Texas A&M's move to the Southeastern Conference in legal red tape. BU refused to waive its right to sue the SEC over A&M's departure from the Big 12, and the SEC said it would not admit Texas A&M until it had been cleared of any potential lawsuits.

Baylor, Kansas and Iowa State have indicated they will not waive their right to sue the SEC.

It's unclear if an application by OU to the Pac-12 would draw the same threats of litigation against the Pac-12 from those Big 12 schools.

Stay tuned.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

I'm asking because wasn't it a possible $12 million MORE than you would have made in the Big 12 in the papers released by MU?

Oh that was several days ago, it has grown. Next week it will be 60 million guaranteed.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by notorious

We will see how it turns out in the long-term with recruiting.


Big East sucks, and WVU is doing the same thing Mizzou is doing: Trading in their chance at a BCS game for more stability.

Mizzou won't sniff a BCS game playing in the SEC. WVU probably won't sniff one in the Big 12 unless they have a KSU-esc run and play amazing when it counts.

Soooo.....you admit the SEC is more stable than the Big XII?

[eazyb81]

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

I'm sure a move to the SEC & the creation of an SEC network will immediately put MU into the top 10 in profit for football.

Doubtful, since the strong conferences will continue to increase revenue as well.

However, the Big 12 will be lucky to hold on to what it has already tricked the networks into promising.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Bowser

Soooo.....you admit the SEC is more stable than the Big XII?

****in' A it is, and I never said otherwise.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Stewie

They're in Texas. They'll get all the recruits that MU and aTm won't get anymore.

This is going to turn into a cluster**** for aTm and MU.

TCU is not going to out-recruit Texas A&M in Texas. Not on a consistent basis. This is a great move for the Horned Frogs, who are going to recruit better in Texas now, but if you follow Texas recruiting closely, you'd know that Texas A&M is the favorite for any kid who doesn't pick OU or UT.

More money. More tradition. Better facilities.

Where TCU is going to do better is recruiting against the likes of oSu and Baylor and Texas Tech and Missouri and Arkansas and LSU. They'll win more of those battles (though they've won a lot of them, regardless).

I won't argue that there won't be kids from Texas that choose someone else over Missouri. But I will argue that it's being vastly overstated. Also, Missouri will have much better secondary recruiting areas after Missouri/Texas (LA, FLA, GA), which it will have to use to make up the gap).

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by Stewie

They're in Texas. They'll get all the recruits that MU and aTm won't get anymore.

This is going to turn into a cluster**** for aTm and MU.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

TCU is not going to out-recruit Texas A&M in Texas. Not on a consistent basis. This is a great move for the Horned Frogs, who are going to recruit better in Texas now, but if you follow Texas recruiting closely, you'd know that Texas A&M is the favorite for any kid who doesn't pick OU or UT.

More money. More tradition. Better facilities.

Where TCU is going to do better is recruiting against the likes of oSu and Baylor and Texas Tech and Missouri and Arkansas and LSU. They'll win more of those battles (though they've won a lot of them, regardless).

Can't argue with this.


And they will probably get some of those 2 and 3 stars that KSU and KU used to get.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by notorious

****in' A it is, and I never said otherwise.

This...

I would move KU to the SEC and bail on the Titanic 12 in a ****ing heart beat...

Would give two shits about any rivarly or team left behind...

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

TCU is not going to out-recruit Texas A&M in Texas. Not on a consistent basis. This is a great move for the Horned Frogs, who are going to recruit better in Texas now, but if you follow Texas recruiting closely, you'd know that Texas A&M is the favorite for any kid who doesn't pick OU or UT.

More money. More tradition. Better facilities.

Where TCU is going to do better is recruiting against the likes of oSu and Baylor and Texas Tech and Missouri and Arkansas and LSU. They'll win more of those battles (though they've won a lot of them, regardless).

They could, actually.

TCU is right there in Dallas; it's in a great spot. It won't start out-recruiting A&M over night, but as the rivalry between the Aggies and Longhorns starts to diminish (and it will; as will MU/KU), the kids that get turned down by UT won't be so eager to go to A&M and 'show them what they missed'.

In fact, TCU could end up that destination school.

TCU has made a HUGE move to get into the IIX. I think they're absolutely poised to become a viable replacement for A&M in Texas. They'll likely never come as close to a national championship as they did last season (really just one or two breaks and they're in that title game), but they'll have better teams and a better program (hmmmm...sound familiar?)

And yeah, they'll make recruiting Texas a little bit harder for the folks that already did well down there.

Good thing we're going to have some new recruiting grounds to sniff around in

[Stewie]

Originally Posted by Bowser

Soooo.....you admit the SEC is more stable than the Big XII?

There's no stability, anywhere. What happens the day the SEC writes Vanderbilt a letter, or the Big 10 to Northwestern?

"You're good schools, but you're not in our plans for the future of our athletic conference."

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

This...

I would move KU to the SEC and bail on the Titanic 12 in a ****ing heart beat...

Would give two shits about any rivarly or team left behind...

Truth.

There is obviously a little hate towards Mizzou for doing exactly what we all wish our teams even had an opportunity to do.


BUT, I still believe Mizzou would have gotten into the 10 or the SEC if the Big 12 fell apart anyway. I think the well-deserved Texas hate just expedited the process.

[Stewie]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

aTm is already bitching about recruiting. Waaaaaaa!

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by notorious

****in' A it is, and I never said otherwise.

Just busting balls. YOUR BALLS. BUSTED.

Originally Posted by Stewie

There's no stability, anywhere. What happens the day the SEC writes Vanderbilt a letter, or the Big 10 to Northwestern?

"You're good schools, but you're not in our plans for the future of our athletic conference."

Yeah, if Iowa State hasn't gotten that letter yet, noone will. (ducks from incoming barrage from Ames)

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Stewie

They're in Texas. They'll get all the recruits that MU and aTm won't get anymore.

This is going to turn into a cluster**** for aTm and MU.

aTm isn't going to recruit as well now? Holy shit! The Big IIX is the European League, and the SEC is the NBA, and you think players would rather play in Europe. Keep ****ing that chicken, Stu.

[Jerm]

....and just to be clear, I don't begrudge TCU or WVU at all for the move.

I just find it comical that these national talking head idiots for the most part believe Mizzou will be dead and buried because they're stepping up in competition but TCU/WVU are making a bigger step up in comparison yet no one is killing them. The hypocrisy bemuses me...