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**petegz28** · 10-17-2021, 12:36 PM

Since the Super Bowl the dude has not looked right. Now he is just flat playing with his head in his ass.

I think he needs to get over himself a bit. He has 2 critical INT's this season that are 100% his fault that he had 0% reason to every try and it cost us points, 1 game and maybe 2.

Chiefspants · 11-08-2021, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

The 2nd one is the more frustrating. The deep ball to Hardmand I believe was on 1st down.

The 2nd one was on 3rd and long in your own end. He has to hit that.

Yep. No excuses on the 2nd one. None. He had two open options and still went with the spot on the field that had blanket coverage.

**petegz28** · 11-08-2021, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Why would a wide receiver ever give up on a play when Backyard Football Patrick is the QB?

Probably because Hardman knows if he is doubled then someone else isn't and the ball should probably go there????

I agree though you keep running your route regardless but just saying....

Megatron96 · 11-08-2021, 05:10 PM

The pass to Hardman wasn't even a particularly well-thrown pass, almost an up-for-grabs throw. Or 'arm-punt,' if that makes you happy.

Meanwhile, Kelce was WIDE THE **** OPEN WITH SOME ROOM TO RUN.

Put another way: Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Steve Young, Joe Montana, heck, probably even Brett Favre throw to Kelce there. 100% of the time in that situation.

In the 2nd video, whoever that is that runs into the flat (Jerrick?) has the first down at the very least right there. If it was Mckinnon, he could've gone for 30+ yards if Pat gets him the ball early enough. There's no one in a GB uni anywhere near him. Closest defender looks like he's 12-15 yards from the receiver. And again, the pass downfield was poorly thrown, well behind the receiver. Never mind that Hill was just never open. Not for even a fraction of a second.

But the whole play design drags the entire defense off to the right side of the field. If Pat hits Jerrick right there, there's practically no one for GB in any kind of position to catch him. Put another way, if that was Damien Williams there, and Pat throws him the ball, that's practically a sure TD.

This is pressing in the worst way. Patrick needs to get his head/neck/shoulders out of his ass and take what the play-call and the defense seems so willing to give him.

**petegz28** · 11-08-2021, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

The pass to Hardman wasn't even a particularly well-thrown pass, almost an up-for-grabs throw. Or 'arm-punt,' if that makes you happy.

Meanwhile, Kelce was WIDE THE **** OPEN WITH SOME ROOM TO RUN.

Put another way: Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Steve Young, Joe Montana, heck, probably even Brett Favre throw to Kelce there. 100% of the time in that situation.

In the 2nd video, whoever that is that runs into the flat (Jerrick?) has the first down at the very least right there. If it was Mckinnon, he could've gone for 30+ yards if Pat gets him the ball early enough. There's no one in a GB uni anywhere near him. Closest defender looks like he's 12-15 yards from the receiver. And again, the pass downfield was poorly thrown, well behind the receiver. Never mind that Hill was just never open. Not for even a fraction of a second.

But the whole play design drags the entire defense off to the right side of the field. If Pat hits Jerrick right there, there's practically no one for GB in any kind of position to catch him. Put another way, if that was Damien Williams there, and Pat throws him the ball, that's practically a sure TD.

This is pressing in the worst way. Patrick needs to get his head/neck/shoulders out of his ass and take what the play-call and the defense seems so willing to give him.

Meh, on the 2nd one if he actually made a good throw it's picked off. The CB had great position.

IowaHawkeyeChief · 11-08-2021, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

I think Mahomes is close, man. I think he is. I think he's gonna turn it around here soon.

I agree, I love Mahomes and wouldn't trade him for anyone else, but he isn't above criticism as some on here think...

IowaHawkeyeChief · 11-08-2021, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

There were already 2 guys on Hardman and 3rd closing.

It was a bad decision by the QB. Plain and simple.

TROOF

**petegz28** · 11-08-2021, 05:19 PM

You have to wonder on that 3rd down play if he had decided he was going to Reek before the ball was even snapped? It's either that or he can't read a defense for shit or he didn't know where McKinnon was going to be or something.

I'd like to think it was he was going to Reek no matter what because the other reasons are not good.

FloridaMan88 · 11-08-2021, 05:34 PM

Dan Marino, who like Mahomes took the NFL by storm immediately at the start of his career, began to experience his first significant career regression in his fourth season when he threw his then career high 23 INT’s in a season.

No matter how great you are, the league will catch-up and then you respond accordingly.

Chris Meck · 11-08-2021, 05:56 PM

They know what he WANTS to do, and they take that away and make him do what he DOESN'T want to do.

And he hasn't been mature enough to adjust to that yet. It's that simple.

He will, it's just a matter of whether he's going to burn this year before he does or not.

**dirk digler** · 11-08-2021, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Patrick, not Andy.

I know it's 3rd-long, but you're up 2 scores in the 4th Q. Take your checkdown (the 4x1 formation actually messes up the coverage responsibilities, and the checkdown flat will probably convert the first anyway). pic.twitter.com/45UzPIFOFz
— Josh Cohen (@JCohen_NFL) November 8, 2021

That pass to Hardman I can see what he was looking at. Hardman had inside leverage and if would have kept going might have completed it.

The 2nd pass he definitely should have thrown it to Mckinnon in this situation. That was an easy 30 yd play at least.

Back to the first video you can see the coverage perfectly and maybe why we are struggling. 4 deep on 2 WR's, a CB on Kelce, and a spy watching Mahomes. When Mahomes was about to throw the CB was breaking on Kelce though he could have easily hit him earlier.

**petegz28** · 11-08-2021, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

That pass to Hardman I can see what he was looking at. Hardman had inside leverage and if would have kept going might have completed it.

The 2nd pass he definitely should have thrown it to Mckinnon in this situation. That was an easy 30 yd play at least.

Back to the first video you can see the coverage perfectly and why it is messing with us. 4 deep on 2 WR's, a S on Kelce, and a spy watching Mahomes

It only messed with us because Patrick chose not to take the 15+ yard gain they were giving us with Kelce.

The defense isn't messing with us. Patrick is being stubborn.

suzzer99 · 11-08-2021, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

That pass to Hardman I can see what he was looking at. Hardman had inside leverage and if would have kept going might have completed it.

The 2nd pass he definitely should have thrown it to Mckinnon in this situation. That was an easy 30 yd play at least.

Back to the first video you can see the coverage perfectly and maybe why we are struggling. 4 deep on 2 WR's, a CB on Kelce, and a spy watching Mahomes. When Mahomes was about to throw the CB was breaking on Kelce though he could have easily hit him earlier.

On that second pass, he may have struggled to see McKinnon over gigantic Orlando Brown.

This is one disadvantage of standing still in the pocket. If something is blocking your view you might miss what's behind it.

Maybe there is room for Mahomes to move around enough to get his vision, but w/o backpeddling into danger.

**dirk digler** · 11-08-2021, 06:40 PM

I signed up for GamePass trial and yesterday's game isn't up for All-22 yet so I have been watching the Giants game.

This is the 4th play on the opening drive. First who designs a play where Pringle and Kelce are right on top of each other and there is 6 defenders vs 3.

Mecca · 11-08-2021, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

I signed up for GamePass trial and yesterday's game isn't up for All-22 yet so I have been watching the Giants game.

This is the 4th play on the opening drive. First who designs a play where Pringle and Kelce are right on top of each other and there is 6 defenders vs 3.

That's extremely poor route combination design or someone ran the wrong route.

**dirk digler** · 11-08-2021, 06:42 PM

So here is Mahomes scrambling because literally no one is open. Maybe Hardman could break to the back pylon...

10-17-2021, 12:36 PM
petegz28 Supporter petegz28's Avatar Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks	WTF is with Mahomes? Since the Super Bowl the dude has not looked right. Now he is just flat playing with his head in his ass. I think he needs to get over himself a bit. He has 2 critical INT's this season that are 100% his fault that he had 0% reason to every try and it cost us points, 1 game and maybe 2. Last edited by petegz28; 10-17-2021 at 05:20 PM..
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Megatron96 Suupraa Geniuuusss Megatron96's Avatar Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Phoenix, AZ	The pass to Hardman wasn't even a particularly well-thrown pass, almost an up-for-grabs throw. Or 'arm-punt,' if that makes you happy. Meanwhile, Kelce was WIDE THE **** OPEN WITH SOME ROOM TO RUN. Put another way: Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Steve Young, Joe Montana, heck, probably even Brett Favre throw to Kelce there. 100% of the time in that situation. In the 2nd video, whoever that is that runs into the flat (Jerrick?) has the first down at the very least right there. If it was Mckinnon, he could've gone for 30+ yards if Pat gets him the ball early enough. There's no one in a GB uni anywhere near him. Closest defender looks like he's 12-15 yards from the receiver. And again, the pass downfield was poorly thrown, well behind the receiver. Never mind that Hill was just never open. Not for even a fraction of a second. But the whole play design drags the entire defense off to the right side of the field. If Pat hits Jerrick right there, there's practically no one for GB in any kind of position to catch him. Put another way, if that was Damien Williams there, and Pat throws him the ball, that's practically a sure TD. This is pressing in the worst way. Patrick needs to get his head/neck/shoulders out of his ass and take what the play-call and the defense seems so willing to give him.
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petegz28 Supporter petegz28's Avatar Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks	You have to wonder on that 3rd down play if he had decided he was going to Reek before the ball was even snapped? It's either that or he can't read a defense for shit or he didn't know where McKinnon was going to be or something. I'd like to think it was he was going to Reek no matter what because the other reasons are not good.
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FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses FloridaMan88's Avatar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL	Dan Marino, who like Mahomes took the NFL by storm immediately at the start of his career, began to experience his first significant career regression in his fourth season when he threw his then career high 23 INT’s in a season. No matter how great you are, the league will catch-up and then you respond accordingly.
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Chris Meck MVP Chris Meck's Avatar Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC	They know what he WANTS to do, and they take that away and make him do what he DOESN'T want to do. And he hasn't been mature enough to adjust to that yet. It's that simple. He will, it's just a matter of whether he's going to burn this year before he does or not.
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