***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[O.city]

Like his policies or not, but Pence is a natural at this.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Donger

There it is:

The State Department is preparing to raise its travel advisory worldwide to Level 4: Do Not Travel – the highest level — in the face of the coronavirus pandemic.

Four sources told CNN that Secretary of State Mike Pompeo had approved a Level 4 advisory.

Late last Wednesday, the advisory was raised globally to Level 3: Reconsider Travel “due to the global impact of COVID-19.”

Politico was the first to report the heightened advisory level. CNN has reached out to the State Department for comment.

Another source told CNN that the move would be aimed at curtailing Americans’ travel abroad and to get those who are traveling to come home.

Is that international only, I presume?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

I have no clue what the schools are going to do. Make everyone retake whatever grade they’re in? Hope that shit is back to normal by the time school starts next year?

My girl's been going to a 1st grade classroom for 2 hours/day since October.

They send her back to re-take kindergarten and I'll yank her out and pay for private school. No, she will NOT be re-learning how to use scissors when I'm fairly confident I could drop her in second grade and she'd probably have her feet under her within a month.

We're not the psychotic "TEST HER OUT" family or anything. Part of growing up is being a kid and going to school and matriculating your way through varied social experiences. A 5/6 yr old may be able to read with 7/8 yr olds but she still needs to understand how to interact with her immediate peer groups. I see little utility in skipping grades - they miss out on more than they gain.

But if schools try to repeat things, the behavioral issues they'll face from bored stiff pupils will be immense.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Overall, I don't think media is doing a bad job at all. It is not their fault people are freaking out. I mean you say they are doom and gloom -- well there really isn't much good news to report. What do you want them to say? That the virus isn't spreading?

All these this is the medias fault posts are FOS. This is human nature. Every time there is maybe an emergency(hurricane etc.) or even a snowstorm people raid the grocery stores. Start hoarding. Happens every damn time. Why would anyone think this time it would be different?

Originally Posted by patteeu

You could have just not responded in the first place. We would have all been fine not knowing that you have a political take that you’re not going to post.

I respect DJ. He was owed a public response. Same with you. Which why I'm responding publicly.

Originally Posted by Mecca

But see we suck at testing.

Not we. it could have been different.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I made my position quite clear, as I have a dozen or more times.

There are middle grounds I want to explore and pursue.

But IF the choices are between a police state and letting this virus run its course naturally - I'm taking the latter and doing so without blinking. If it means 200 million people get the disease (160 million of whom show virtually no symptoms), so be it. Is that the ideal scenario? No.

Is it better than an entire nation surrendering its personal liberties? Christ - I don't even understand why I have to answer that question.

I'm never going to be in favor of losing civil liberties. Closing business's and asking that we stay home for a couple of weeks is fine and dandy. Even enforcing a quarantine like they did in NY was okay, science said it was warranted temporarily. But, I'm not in favor of abondaning the consitition for a "crisis". Because a "crisis" could be declared in the future by the next president or congress for political reasons. Its just a bad road to go down.

Originally Posted by DaFace

Not saying that it would be anywhere near the number of deaths from COVID-19, but suicides would skyrocket. I'm a pretty optimistic guy, and even I've had to take specific steps to try not to go insane this week. A year of this would be brutal.

I was social distancing since Thursday. Seems like a longer time that's for sure. I went out this am to deliver some hand sanitizer. Don't have the cabin fever as much now.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

I have no clue what the schools are going to do. Make everyone retake whatever grade they’re in? Hope that shit is back to normal by the time school starts next year?

Wonder if they just pass everyone this year. Can they even do that?

[MagicHef]

I posted earlier that my family went through a bout of a mystery illness a few weeks ago. I just found out that someone that lives nearby tested positive for COVID-19, from an illness that started in her household about a week before my family got sick.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Going all in on chloroquine

i wish i knew a guy who could write scripts...

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by ShowtimeSBMVP

Wonder if they just pass everyone this year. Can they even do that?

My understanding from my friend, who is a principal in Kansas, is that the state legislature can largely make their own rules if needed.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Is that international only, I presume?

I believe so:


Global Health Advisory
March 15, 2020
Level 3: Reconsider Travel

The Department of State advises U.S. citizens to reconsider travel abroad due to the global impact of COVID-19. Many areas throughout the world are now experiencing COVID-19 outbreaks and taking action that may limit traveler mobility, including quarantines and border restrictions. Even countries, jurisdictions, or areas where cases have not been reported may restrict travel without notice.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

My girl's been going to a 1st grade classroom for 2 hours/day since October.

They send her back to re-take kindergarten and I'll yank her out and pay for private school. No, she will NOT be re-learning how to use scissors when I'm fairly confident I could drop her in second grade and she'd probably have her feet under her within a month.

We're not the psychotic "TEST HER OUT" family or anything. Part of growing up is being a kid and going to school and matriculating your way through varied social experiences. A 5/6 yr old may be able to read with 7/8 yr olds but she still needs to understand how to interact with her immediate peer groups. I see little utility in skipping grades - they miss out on more than they gain.

But if schools try to repeat things, the behavioral issues they'll face from bored stiff pupils will be immense.

I’ve got a 7th grader and two 4th graders that would be devastated if they had to retake those grades again. I mean ****....were basically 3 months away from the end of the school year. They’ve done the majority of it already. Get a plan and pass them.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

i wish i knew a guy who could write scripts...

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[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by penguinz

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ Is much closer to real-time.

If it’s not updated on cdc how is it official?

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by ShowtimeSBMVP

Wonder if they just pass everyone this year. Can they even do that?

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

i wish i knew a guy who could write scripts...

My wife hasn't put me on it yet , I assume it will be recommended for us medical workers first if they believe it would help as a preventative measure.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by O.city

Like his policies or not, but Pence is a natural at this.

Putting aside what he's actually saying.....

At times like these we expect our leadership to be "presidential". Talk "presidential". Empathy. Here's what we are doing, This is the plan. Anything that's not that, freaks people out more.

Doesnt really matter which political team your on

I hate Rick Scott so much ever since his company stole $1.2 Billion from medicare in Missouri. Moved to Florida and found out he was governor.

We had two hurricanes under him. He did a helluva job. In hurricanes getting gas for cars and generators in the aftermath is key. He got the police to escort gasoline tankers to stations from the docks. Gave the stations exceptions to make it more readily available. Brought in electrical trucks from all over the USA. Paused a lot of collections. etc. Got him a senate seat for it. He earned it during those hurricanes.